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1 Album Capitalization
2 Melodic Black Metal and Symphonic black metal
3 Musician Names
4 Genres
5 Cradle of Filth support
6 Extreme symphonic metal
7 Fair use rationale for Image:AnthemsToTheWelkinAtDusk.jpg
8 Fair use rationale for Image:Prometheusthedescipleoffire&demise.JPG
9 What about?
10 Fair use rationale for Image:Inthenightsideeclipseemperor.jpg
11 Record Label
12 Release formatting
13 ItNE credits

[edit] Album Capitalization

Regarding album titles, I personally feel that all words should be capitalized, whether they are conjuctions or not. It seems inconsistent (even though it is traditional) to have a mixture of upper and lower case words, and inconsistency is the enemy. This is perhaps a moot point, but I think it ought to be defined one way or another as to which should be used. I think we ought to capitalize all words in a title, whether it is an album, a book, or whatever else. Nyght 23:05, May 28, 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia naming convention is that "Titles of books, films and other works are also capitalized, except for minor words, e.g. A New Kind of Science, Ghost in the Shell.", which also as far as I know is the most common practice Skrim 18:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Melodic Black Metal and Symphonic black metal

Melodic black metal AND symphonic black metal are the two genres from the first emperor album, in the nightside eclipse. only symphonic black metal is mentioned and i think melodic black metal should be as much credited as that as it is symphonic black metal. if you look at the melodic black metal page, it states certain characteristics which all appear on in the nightside eclipse album. e.g. occasional clean vocals,atmospheric (NOT SYMPHONIC OR ORCHESTRATIONAL) sounds, not uncommon guitar solos. its all there. plus, if you didnt notice, EMPEROR IS LISTED ON THE NOTABLE MELODIC BLACK METAL BANDS PART of that page! because there is not a "reliable" source for them being melodic black metal, it is as much unreliable as symphonic black metal could be. the only source is from metal-archives. which is a byist website anyway. whoever keeps changing it and constantly getting rid of melodic black metal being listed on the page and thinking that its pure vandalism of the page, at least explain why you think its not right to be there. and ask many other people. look at all the comments! everyone is saying that theyr melodic black metal. so whoever wants to get rid of the edit again, have the decency to reply to this message! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Musician Names

I've moved the given names of the musicians to comments in the source. It's standard operating procedure in black metal not to call the musicians by their given names (starting with Quorthon, whose real name we still don't even know). Giving out Ihsahn's and Samoth's real names without warning is essentially a spoiler for fans of the band. I think many of us don't want to know what their "real names" are; in fact, for all intents and purposes, their stage names are their real names. Vivacissamamente

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a black metal fan page. I vote for using the artists' real names in the article. --Rapunzel 06:09, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You win. What I was doing was little better than deciding I didn't like English grammar and was going to change it. Thanks.

Quorthon's real name is Ace Börje Forsberg, it was written on his obituary. I also changed the description of Cradle of Filth from black metal to gothic metal. http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=24 Ladysway1985

I say I don't want to know his given name, and in response you tell me. Thanks. Vivacissamamente

No, I responded to your statement that Quorthon's real name was not known. Don't bitch. As for Cradle of Filth, well, Flowing Tears, For My Pain, Lacrimus Profundere and others sound almost nothing like Tristania or Theatre of Tragedy, etc. Just as there are different kinds of metal, it is not unexpected that there are different kinds of gothic metal. Cradle of Filth's black metal influence is clear, but all in all that is not what they are. "Extreme gothic metal" is a fitting description in my opinion. So, enough with this. Ladysway1985

[edit] Genres

Cradle of Filth might belong to quite a few musical genres, but they are definitely not gothic metal! Sirenia, Theatre of Tragedy, Lacrimas Profundere, Xandria, To/Die/For and so many others are gothic metal, so please compare the sound of these bands with CoF and notice that this has absolutely no sense. You may write that they are a group of sell-out posers who think they are black metal despite not being, whatever, but they are not goth metal. --Sn0wflake 17:59, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

i see cradle of filth as more as melodic black metal than anything else. lol sellouts, so true.

Cradle of filth is not black metal, I thought that was a debate that ended some time ago. Why does it still appear as black metal, I agree gothic metal isn't their genre either, so there must be some genre they fit.Ptikobj 20:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

CoF is not melodic black metal AT ALL, and that is an insult! Bands like Rotting Christ are melodic black (on most of their releases). CoF is not pure gothic metal, but there way of playing has many gothic metal elements. I'd just call them extreme metal, but bad. 76.105.40.151 21:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Emperor discussion page. Take bitching about CoF's genre to that page. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

i have no idea why emperors genre is reffered to as "symphonic extreme metal". does that even exist? everyone knows they are a symphonic black metal band and also their old recordings were melodic black metal. i got complaints because i wrote a similar comment on the c.o.f. discussion page because their genre is debated very much. fair enough, i get that now. but emperor is not debated within their genre. the characteristics are there in their first album at least of melodic black metal, and of course, symphonic black metal. i just think that they should be labelled as a melodic black metal band and as a symphonic black metal band because they are. please someone on the site agree this fact so i can add (not change) the genre name as melodic black metal above or below symphonic black metal. this is correct, and there should not be any problems with it. it is at least more accurate than "extreme symphonic metal". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cradle of Filth support

I just want to correct an error in the article... Emperor didnt support cradle of filth. CoF supported emperor.. www.emperorhorde.com for confirmation. The official emperor site

[edit] Extreme symphonic metal

I'm confused...I don't see how "extreme symphonic metal" is anything but a broader term that encompasses "symphonic black metal". Do we really need to say "symphonic black metal" AND "extreme symphonic metal" on the genre listings? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PearlTheater (talk • contribs) 18:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

I agree. It seems completely unnecessary to mention "extreme symphonic metal" since it doesn't have it's own article and is two separate genres scrunched together. Zanders5k 20:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

It is necessary to have both because he band changed their style from Symphonic Black Metal to Symphonic Extreme Metal. Symphonic Extreme Metal is the equivalent of saying Symphonic Blackened Death Metal. Emperor did Change their style halfway through their career and there are sources that call them Symphonic Extreme Metal. It stays. --Sindelar 15:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Ehm but Emperor was creators of Melodic Black metal NOT Symphonic Black metal. Listen to ITNE, it was first melodic black metal release and there's NOTHING Symphonic about it. Also there's nothing sort of "death metal" about Emperor, NOT even in their later career. Growling vocals alone doesn't make it "death metal". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.23.199 (talk) 09:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Look 'extreme symphonic metal' or 'symphonic extreme metal' or whatever are not real genres. They don't even have Wikipedia pages, and if you created them, I imagine they'd end up as AfD fodder pretty swiftly. Therfore there is no point whatsoever listing such illusory genres within the infobox when they're just going to get re-directed elsewhere. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

'Extreme symhponic metal' doesnt exist. whoever put it there did it cos they read the crappy genre name off metal-archives. it should NOT be listed there and it should be symhponic black metal AND melodic black metal (for in the nightside eclipse). the first album is melodic black metal and the rest are symphonic black metal and like it is mentioned by a few from the previous album, that with elements of progressive metal. someone tell me that they understand this so when i add (NOT CHANGE) melodic black metal to their genres list, it will not be changed. and for those who are complaining that theyre not, you have them listed on the melodic black metal page, so then there should be no problem changing the genre on their own page. also before i even joined wikipedia, i remember seeing melodic black metal listed on the emperor page. so i am not the only one. i also say that c.o.f. is melodic black metal on the first 3 albums too but their genre is debated so i am not going to get into that. but emperors genre IS NOT DEBATED. Okram 09 8 March 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 03:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:AnthemsToTheWelkinAtDusk.jpg

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[edit] What about?

What about the Call From the Grave Rehearsal release? I don't see that in the discography section... 76.105.40.151 21:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Inthenightsideeclipseemperor.jpg

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[edit] Record Label

I see that In the Nightside Eclipse is noted as released under Roadrunner Records. To my knowledge Emperor has had no affiliation with Roadrunner and I am unable to find sources that prove me wrong. The band's official website cites the album being released under Candlelight Records and re-released by Candlelight and Century Media. Emperor was with Candlelight Records consistently for their primary studio releases, and seeing as how I can find no evidence of a connection with Roadrunner, citing it as such seems amiss.--Junked up (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not even sure Roadrunner was around when Nightside was released... Yeah, it sounds unrealistic. Without any sources, change it. ≈ The Haunted Angel 21:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Roadrunner certainly existed then (they've been around since at least the mid-80's i nfact) but without having any copies on hand, emperorhorde.com indicates that it's a Candlelight release and that's good enough for me. Thee darcy (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, my mistake then; although I wouldn't imagine Roadrunner signing a black metal band - at least not today's Roadrunner. I think the closest they get today is Cradle. ≈ The Haunted Angel 19:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release formatting

It appears that using the album covers on this page has been deemed unacceptable, so I'm going to format the album section like the other releases. It's too bad but it'll look nicer this way. I guess we'll just have to learn to be happy with the more detailed info appearing on the album pages. Thee darcy (talk) 17:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ItNE credits

Hoping to get some support here- every couple of months a whole bunch of BS gets added to the ItNE page about how the album was recorded at Samoth's home studio in Tromso, it was produced by Samoth, it was released on Roadrunner (see "Record Label" above), Ihsahn and Samoth were the only musicians who played on it, and so on... just keep an eye out for it if you can. I'm trying to stay on top of it but it's always anon IP users who seem unwilling to provide any source on the info their providing- info that contradicts the albumliner notes & the band website, but still, it'd be nice to see where this stuff is coming from.

Anyway. Just keep an eye out. Thee darcy (talk) 16:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)