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[edit] Emir

Looks like you have abandond wikipedia, finally realised what a complete waste of time it is? ;). In that case I agree with you, every reasonable change that one tries to make is being reverted the very same minute, and here's the shock, not by serbs or croats but by bosniaks themselves. Looks like this people seriously don't know what is good for them and how to protect their interests, hell they don't even know what interest they have. I say let everything go to hell, it just ain't worth it anymore, but one thing is sure the future does not look bright for this poor people :( Damir Mišić

Unfortunately, there are many craze nationalists here, not all, but most of them come from Serbia, so it is not so strange, that even Montenegro, declared independence from Serbia who wants to impose its POV to all other nations in the Balkans. So other normal people, are fed up with all this crap that comes from fascists and don't care much about their edits...History will record their actions as it always does.--Emir Arven 19:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, our little beloved homeland is now free to be self-governed again (like it was, before the annexation of 1918). --HolyRomanEmperor 09:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The problem...

...is that you can't really follow Wikipedia:Verifiability.

Aside from that, you should know that Wikipedia is not truth, but Verifiability. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You are talking about Wikipedia:Verifiability? Hahaha. You are the one that put false source in Stjepan II article, to verify your theses?! You are the one who goes from user to user to ask for a source/help, to verify your theses that you write, and you are not even sure about them. Come on, man, don't be ridiculous anymore. I mean really, what is enough is enough. If you have problem with Bosniaks, then this is not right place to solve it. Good day. --Emir Arven 20:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi....
I suppose that nothing will make you chill off - or stop with Personal attacks like the one you made here. --HolyRomanEmperor 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

you're a very, very violent person :( Why do you hold so much anger and hatred from within? Is it because you suffered before? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] STOP propagating...

...against me. You repeat that thing about Vladimir Corovic so desperatly, acting like a man that's bent only on fighting a war with all means (like Hitler tried). I haven't presented Vladimir Corovic's book as a source for his Serbian Orthodox religion - but Latinus mistakengly did. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

...and let me not even begin about your aggressive, xenophobic, nationalistic behaviour. Here you called Vladimir's book "...that book is nationalist crap" and other loads of your mistakes - here claiming that the Congress doesn't call him Orthodox - when it does, or here, when you mysticly claimed that the Nemanjici are not Serbs (for no appearent reason - out of the blue), and here refusing to admit obvious facts and calling people pathetic.

However, your behaviour reached the culmination of negativity here. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

And you accuding me for vandalism in the edit summary - but instead conducting yourself vandalism is not funny at all. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

See earlier discussions, you are just repeating yourself.--Emir Arven 20:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
That's exactly what I'm trying to tell you - you're repeating yourself by continuously conducting propaganda against me (without any basis whatsoever)... --HolyRomanEmperor 22:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hej

Emire, sjećam se kako si mi rekao da ti kažem ako namjeravam ići u Bosnu preko ljeta. Evo sada sam sve skontao: bit ću u Bosni od 25-og jula do 15-og augusta (mada se nadam da neču cijelo vrijeme provesti u Sarajevu). Live Forever 23:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I see your problem

You have a bad attitude towards the presence of the word "Serb" on the list of historical categories - I realized that now. Is that the reason why you replaced that with "Bosniak". I think you totally misinterpreted that - I do not know why you keep adding that, the ethnicity of Bosnia isn't disputed at all - since it cannot be disputed, especially in places like Bosnia where ancient civiliations died out (in the shame of all three - Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats who fight over Bosnia, not seeing that it actually "belongs" to not one of them). The "History of the Serbs" category has nothing to do with Stephen's "ethnicity" (if that term can actually be applied to the Middle ages), but to the fact that Bosnia was subjected to Serbia. the Croatian history, on the other hand, is present because Bosnia was a vassalage of Croatia. It's the same as the History of Bosnia and Herzegovina Category. However, if you think that the categories are slightly confusing - do you suggest that we implace the Category History of Serbia in its place? --HolyRomanEmperor 22:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


Let me remind you some of your propaganda my dear frined, I also wrote this in you 4th nomination for admin here Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/HolyRomanEmperor_4: This 4th nomination is rediculous. HRE is one of the greatest Serb nationalist here, ready to lie in order to achive his goals. Here is the example of his Serb propagand. He keeps replacing word Bosniak with Serb. That is his main role here to prove that some historical person from the Balkans belongs to Serbs, like Mehmed-paša Sokolović even Husein Gradaščević, native Bosniak general.He doesn't know the difference between facts and anachronism or between facts and stories or facts and nationalism. He goes from article to article and put the term "Serb" where it should belong and where it shouldnt belong. His strategy is to make friends among Wikipedians in order to become admin. About his lies: For instance he was even trying to connect Bosnian native ruler Stjepan II Kotromanić with "Serb Othodox roots" based on Serb nationalistic site called Serbian unity, that supports war criminals. It says that Draža Mihajlović, was a WWII hero. Draža Mihailović was sentenced as a war criminal and was executed in former Yugoslavia for crimes that he commited in eastern Bosnia. He was nazi supporter and collaborator. This site also supports Slobodan Milošević, accused for genocide. This site was even quoted by Slobodan Milosevic during the trial. Also for instance he put his thesis in the article (smth about Serb origins etc), when I asked him to provide the source that would support his thesis, he gave me the source, and when I checked it,I found nothing there.[1] As you can see the source was (Istorija srpskog naroda/History of Serb people, by Vladimir Ćorović), and HRE was so self-confident that he said: this is a proof that you don't even care one bit about this article; if you did, you would've read it and noticed the source;. So I checked it and found that he lied. He also had fights with Croat, Albanian and Bosniak user. So he isnt a good choice.--Emir Arven 23:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HolyRomanEmporer's RFA

Please try to remain civil and not make personal attacks again please. Thanks! — The King of Kings 00:14 July 03 '06

Hi. I just explained it in his RFA.--Emir Arven 00:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My last reply to you

First of all - I wasn't replacing Bosniak with Serb - you were replacing the original Serb with Bosniak. I was simply reverting what in truth was according to Wikipedia's policy Wikipedia:Vandalism considered as such - aside from your continous refusal to discuss at the corresponding talk pages. I'm not saying that I'm correct - maybe I'm not - but neither should you have such strong confidence in yourself, and rather begin to discuss peacefully, and not using POV wording like that, aimed at avoiding conversation. So, from one point of view, changing the category "Bosniak to Serb" would be Serbian nationalistic propaganda - but when the histories are reviewsed, it is concluded that you were changing Serb to Bosniak, rather, and I simply reverting on the basis of vandalism and denial of discussion - tell me, wouldn't that make "Bosniak nationalist propaganda". This what I am trying to explain to is called NPOV. It's reviewing one action from two or more points of view - and not presently one single - as (if I'm not mistaken) you were doing over there. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

One interesting thing that I noticed is that even after I leave a perfect explaination on all the talk pages that we have had arguements (including Your own, personal), you just repeat yourself, just as if I said nothing. This can mean only one of the two: 1) You mistakingly don't read what I say or 2) You don't want to read it. If the case is the latter - I'm afraid I cannot help you. For instance - I put the History of the Serb People by Vladimir Corovic as a source for the whole article - as its parts were written/sourced by that book. It had nothing to do with sourcing that historical fact - never did I say such a thing. On the other hand, this is a proof that you don't even care one bit about this article; if you did, you would've read it and noticed the source is just my proof that you have no desire to read/check sources, but rather name them like you did in the corresponding Edit Summary: Serb nationalist Vladimir Corovic, and his history of Serb people. That book is nationalistic crap. and latter you even used that book to source a latter claim of yours (after such wording).

I have tried everything - you had to be blocked because of your aggressiveness several times, and I have filed requests for a self-block (which, appearently, got me into troubles) out of solidarization with you - I have tried sweettalking to you, and as shameful as I admit - I have even tried "harshtalking" to you (which apearently, got me into troubles too) - all have failed. I'm sorry for ever trying to show you Wikipedia's policy and my sole desire is to open a discussion with you - a thing that you so harshly refused (as shown around 32 times by now). --HolyRomanEmperor 11:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Please try to remain civil and not make personal attacks again please. Thanks! I have an archive of your nationalism, sneaky vandalism etc. You even came here to talk against Mir Harven, then you go to him to talk against me and not in English so that other Wikipedians can't see what you are doing. Very pathetic. I explained everything about your so called source. I asked you to show me at least the section of the book which would support your made-up thesis about his alleged Serb Othodox origins, and you could't. Even in the Serbian Unity Congress, a nationalistic site, there is nothing about Stjepan's mother wishes for his baptism. Good day, and as I said, try to remain civil.--Emir Arven 12:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HRE's passing away to a better place

Greetings. I am the cousin of the User HolyRomanEmperor. According to his brother, you two have had more arguements than... uhh, this pains me (us) enough to write this, so I am just going to point to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HolyRomanEmperor#As_per_Your_.28Our.29_brother.27s_request. I have no idea if you're happy or share the pain - but I was asked to inform you, and whatever arguements you two have had - they are now closed (forever). --Sad News 20:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, do I look so naive to you, or what? Please give me a break. I don't believe you, dear friend.--Emir Arven 22:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] disputed map

Hi,

Where did you find this map: Image talk:Bosniak Croat territories1993.GIF? It's far from reality. --Ante Perkovic 22:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] massacre article

When I read the article three days ago, anon users had added unreferenced pov, and most of it was unsourced. Today, there has been improvenent in certain areas of word choice and sources. I could be completely clueless about the article, but I can recognize when pov is used, and that is what I am doing from a purely stylistic critique. I don't care one way or the other.

Guy Montag 18:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The article at hand is absolutely huge, and so is the wikipedia article. For such a large article I would expect more than a hundred sources. It doesn't mean that what you have is "false." It just means it needs to be sourced.

I completely understand that it is impossible to make a perfect article. But please note that much of the article is still unsourced. It is important to also note that if you do not let said nationalists ( I didn't notice anyone else editing it) to at least weed it of blatant pov, the article can quickly lose its legitimacy to a soapbox. Hence I urge you to police those individuals who insert such material. Guy Montag 19:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright,

The article has significantly changed in the last three days. I will give it a rest and come back later to review it. Guy Montag 19:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] What's your point Emire

Bosnia is a tough topic. This is my view OK... Old historians said that Bosnians were ethnic Croats who took up Islam when Turks came to the Balkans...eg a name like Begovic that was Croatian became Izetbegovic under Turkish rule. "izet" is Turkish and not Slav. Some Croats who fled the Turks made it to and settled in Dalmatia and Istra. These Vacant Croatian houses in Bosnia over time were settled by Serbs. This is where the problem is and the misunderstanding comes in. Who settled Bosnia???...Croats did first...people who call themselves Bosnians are Croatians who converted to Islam...but a minority are also of Serb origin. Is there such a think as a Bosniak???...today yes but maybe not in the 6-7th Century when the Croats and Serbs came to the Balkans.

However today new theory has come up (POV)...Serbs argue that Bosnians are ethnic Serbs and not Croats...Bosnians argue they are a different ethnic group to Serbs and Croats and say they are Bosniaks. Who is right??? Whats is know is the Croats were know to be in Bosnia..they had Kings there and a known population who were called Croats. The Serbs also had some link to Bosnia but on a smaller scale.


My guess would be if Croats and Serbs are said to be of same origin (came from Iran and are non Slavic)....all 3 people are the same and only changed religion and tribe name over time. So I guess were all the same so no point arguing who is what. What is know is that there is mention of Croats in Bosnia..there is also mention of Serbs there too...Bosniaks is a new name and some ague it was given by Tito himslef. Yugoslav history never showed that Bosniaks were a different group to Croats and Serbs.

Javi se Jagoda 1 03:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Jesil ti neki bolesnik ili šta već? Bolnica za nacional-genetičare nije ovdje, sorry. Također ovo nije ni škola, pa da ti dajem besplatne lekcije iz historije. Balkan su naselila plemena Slavena. Hrvati i Srbi su došli u drugom valu selidbi na Balkan, do tada je hereza u Bosni uveliko zaživjela, pa tako i Crkva bosanska, bosanski jezik i Bošnjani kao narod koji se identificirao sa nečim što se zvala Bosna. A sad bih te zamolio da se fino skidaš sa moje strane za razgovor, jer te niko nije zvao, a ti si došao kao neki padobranac i počeo da sereš o nacijima kao i većina kretena opterećenih brojanjem krvih zrnaca.--Emir Arven 14:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Također ako hoćeš da nešto naučiš pročitaj Noela Malcolma, Bosnia: Short History, a ne neka balkanska guslarska sranja o tome ko je veći arijevac. --Emir Arven 14:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Srebrenica Massacre and Osli73

Osli73 is a Serb propagandist who vandalizes Srebrenica massacre article. He removes factual elements of the cases and substitutes them with already discredited Serbian sources. We should report him to Wikipedia administrators sho they can warn him or possibly ban him.

[edit] Replika koju sam ti ostavio na svojoj talk page

Dobro Emire. Ali nemozemo dozvoliti da Osli razvaljuje clanak i mijenja cinjenicne izvore sa diskreditovanim srbijanskim izvorima. Slazes li se? --Bosniak 19:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Dao sam mu moj odgovor na stranici za diskusiju o Srebrenickom genocidu. Bitno je da su svi izvori pobrojani u clanku, koji su relevantni. To ce diskreditovati svaki propagandisticki pokusaj. Verziju koju sam ostavio je sasvim uredu, a poenta je da ne stvori prostora za vandale koji ce sitnice iskoristiti za stavljanje POV taga. --Emir Arven 19:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Emir, if it says "a Serb Army of RS", that means that RS has more than one army. If it said "a Serb army participating in the conflict" then it would mean there were more than one Serb army participating in the conflict. Given what I have read but have forgotten who said it, the argument is that there were indeed two "Serb armies" one was the JNA which had been effectively commandeered by Serb ultra-nationalists (cetniks) and one cobbled together to represent the "RS". Hence, two armies. O.K. But even if one subscribes to this verbiage of "Serb armies" which is verbiage contrary to all the supporting documents and less precise than stating exactly which command structure the units were a part of, "a Serb army of RS" is not correct. The only way it could be correct is if RS had more than one army. The reason it is not correct gets into articles (a vs the), which is difficult to explain.

Ultimately, I want this article to be persuasive and use language that is most effective and precise and accurate. In English text, most importantly the ICTY, UN, and international documents that the article depends upon, the Vojska Republike Srpske if referred to as the Bosnian Serb Army. Also, I understand that one wants to convey that the Scorpions were not just mercenary opportunists but part of Serbia's MUP. "Special forces" is the best way to convey that. "Special state forces" makes no sense. People don't express it that way. And people get it if they read "special forces". If it were other than part of the official state structure of Serbia, then people would say "militia", "para-military", "mercernary", "volunteers". "Special forces" conveys what you want. If one wants to make it even more clear then add a section on the Scorpions and Red Berets who participated in the Srebrenica massacre. --Fairview360 23:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Emir, I forgot to sign in when leaving the above comment. I have been away from the internet for a few days. --Fairview360 23:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] blocked

This edit [2], which refers to Serbian editors as being involved in genocide, has resulted in a three day block. Please refrain from personal attacks WP:NPABlnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not even Serbian.Osli73 06:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
But you are a Serb.--Emir Arven 07:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Emir, what do you base this on? Does anyone who disagrees with you on a topic regarding the conflict in former YU have to be a Serb? I became interested in the conflict in Bosnia as Carl Bildt (who's political party, the Moderates, I supported) became involved on behalf of the EU. Cheers Osli73 14:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, sure. And I am from Mars. --Emir Arven 19:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Please don't blame Emir Arven for his reactions. Any denial, or diminution, or palliation (sorry for my bad English, I'm not a lawyer) of facts of Srebrenica massacre means encouraging the aggressors to do it again. How would Jews reacts if somebody denied Auschwitz? How would Poles react if someone denied the crime in Katyn forest? BTW, don't use Carl Bildt as example. C.Bildt's officially persona non grata in Bosnia and Herzegovina; not by the decision of High Representatives for B&H, but by the decision of local authorities (Croat-Muslim Federation). C.Bildt's unofficially persona non grata in Croatia (unfortunately, Croatian authorities haven't respected the feelings of Croatian people, unlike B&H authorities, that protect the dignity of their people). Carl Bildt deserved that status because of his pro-Serb, anti-Croat, anti-Bosniac attitudes. Now, let's turn to the other topics. Emir Arven said proper words here. The actions of certain users - removal of sourced information on Srebrenica massacre article ARE the continuation of genocide. Instead of blocking those extreme nationalist vandals that spread greaterserbian propaganda and persistently defend and justify Serbian expansionist military campaign in 1990's against Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina (though they don't name it as expansionist, they call it "the defence", just like Nazi ideologists spoke about the defence of Aryans), you block member of the people that was victim in Srebrenica. Dutch government resigned 10 years later, because they screwed up there. Should some admins here resign because of theirs obvious omission? Kubura 00:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


Kabura, A couple of comments on your entry above:

  • No-one here is denying that the Srebrenica massacre took place. So please calm down. However, since there is some uncertainty about the exact numbers killed it must be permissible to include the various estimates in the article. Which is what I am proposing.
  • I think we can all agree that there are those who have different opinions on various aspects of the massacre (ranging from motives to the numbers killed) from that of the ICTY. Presenting these views in the article doesn't mean that the editor (in this case, me) supports them. It only means that there are different view on this. One such view may be that of the Bosnian government in some cases.
  • I too think that the ICTY is a good source. I also think that the Dutch NIOD report represents another good source on what happened in Srebrenica. However, that does not mean we should include everything or anything we want from these or that should use them indiscriminately. E.g. including lenghty quotes (or in some cases simply copying entire sections into the article) is not appopriate.
  • What has Carl Bildt to do with this? I mentioned him to explain my initial interest in the Balkans. In this context it is completeley uninteresting if he is disliked by certain Bosniak or Croatian nationalists. Bill Clinton is disliked by certain Serb nationalists, how is that relevant?
  • What is all this talk about Nazis and Aryans? What is the relevance to this topic?
  • Is it me or Blnguyen that you are referring to when you say that "just like Nazi ideologists spoke about the defence of Aryans), you block member of the people that was victim in Srebrenica"? I would like an answer.

Regards Osli73 16:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


I said that those nationalists were continuing genocide, removing sourced information. They removed important parts of the article, and after that you protected it without returning removed part. Aren't you ashamed? --Emir Arven 07:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
No I am not ashamed. Protection of a page is not an endorsement of its current contents. Apart from obvious vandalism, an admins should not "fix up" a page and then lock it as it will bring claims of impropriety or bias. Your comment that they are "contiuning genocide" proves my point. And please refrain from claims of "vandalism" in the case of a content dispute.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 00:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Then tell me, how do you call people who remove sourced part of the article, and then lie that they don't do it? --Emir Arven 07:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
How do you call people who remove photos donated to Wikipedia? For instance the following photos:
Image:Potocari2006.jpg
Burial of 505 identified Bosniak civilians on July 11 2006
Burial of 610 identified Bosniak civilians on July 11 in 2005
Burial of 610 identified Bosniak civilians on July 11 in 2005
Image:Srebrenica Child Raped Hung.jpg
In Potocari on July 12, a 14-year-old Bosniak girl hanged herself after Serb soldiers raped her and her 12-year-old cousin. Photo: AP.

Can you explain me that? Are those users who keep destroying the article removing valuable informations, phostos, links (all sourced) vandals? --Emir Arven 19:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject BiH

Ovo su gadovi na ovoj Wikipediji. Sramato da se protive o Srebrenici. Slusaj, Uclani se na projekt koji sam poceo: Wikipedia:WikiProject Bosnia and Herzegovina. Hvala, Kseferovic 04:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] check Srebrenica article

KarlXII who might be a reincarnation of Osli73 and Jitse are deleting the intro to the Srebrenica article. I believe the intro -- the way it was before these latest deletions -- very accurately communicates a clear and comprehensive picture of what actually happened. To stop the Srebrenica article from spinning out of control again, I am writing notes to all the editors who have an interest in the article and asking that you visit the site more often. Thank you. Fairview360 04:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Serb nationalists on the go, again!

Please help, there's problems with the article List of Serb war criminals, serbs are calling it POV just because it lists! And are voting for deletion because they obviously want to hide the crimes. Ancient Land of Bosoni

[edit] You are waaay beyond 3RR

Back away from that article on Alija Izetbegović. Please. Put something on the talk page. I already have a 3RR report written up for the anon if he reverts again. I understand the broad allegations based on a single source are frustrating, but you have to keep cool. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 19:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried to communicate with him in his talk page, but no respone. Can you reverte it to the last reasonable version? Thanks. Emir Arven 19:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll try until I hit 2RR. The guy is clearly unreasonable. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 19:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
OK :) Emir Arven 19:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, for fucks sake. I just read his source, it's a pile of partisan screed about as reliable as the minutes of the Republican Drinking Club. Basically, it blames everything on Clinton, Democrats, NATO, and anyone else who didn't follow the Republican line, and links together all kinds of things into a vast conspiracy of mismanagement. I might as well get my news from the Colbert Report. You were right in reverting that, in my opinion. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 19:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Report

I overwrote yours with mine, and added my name to it. He had made a fifth revert, and I had given him a 3RR warning before that revert. Hopefully, someone will sit him down and explain to him how to discuss changes instead of being unilateral. Even so, the best thing to do is maybe consider finding an outside editor to handle this. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 19:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope someone will stop him, thank you for your help :) Regards. Emir Arven 20:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Blocked for 24h. He'll be back tomorrow, so I'd do a little research on his goofy source and rebut it on the talk page. If he gets another 3RR block, it won't look pretty. Nice working with you. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 22:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Okay Emire

Okay Emire.

[edit] Emire, gdje si? Dodji i pomozi nam!

Emire, dodji i pomozi nam oko Srebrenica Massacre clanka. Trebamo tvoju pomoc. Bosniak 22:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] R.E

Actually, I was the one reverting vandalism - the unsourced inflation of numbers. You cannot just revert an article just because you do not like what it says, and you cannot call everyone who disagrees with you a vandal. —KingIvan 02:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem is you didn't read the article. I sourced all my information by relevant documents. Emir Arven 02:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Which is the actual article you are talking about? —KingIvan 02:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I said don't insult me. Emir Arven 02:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re [3]

With regards to your comments on User talk:Ivan Kricancic: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. John254 03:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Emir Arven 03:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Srebrenica massacre

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Srebrenica massacre. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please read WP:3RR. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 22:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] biographies of living persons

Please do not add negative biographical information concerning living persons to Wikipedia articles when they are not backed by reliable sources, as you did to Lewis MacKenzie Thank you. // Laughing Man 00:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

What information? Emir Arven 02:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary to Srebrenica massacre

Please do not use inflaming words in your summaries as it is a form of attack. Please see WP:CIVIL. Ronbo76 03:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Which are...? Emir Arven 03:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] biographies of living persons

Please do not add negative biographical information concerning living persons to Wikipedia articles when they are not backed by reliable sources, as you did to Lewis MacKenzie Thank you. // Laughing Man 00:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

What information? Emir Arven 02:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Your recent additions, I will provide diffs so there is doubt about which edits refering to:
// Laughing Man 15:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The Courte is very reliable source. Emir Arven 15:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
You linked to "Kraijna Force" forums, not a court decision. // Laughing Man 15:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The article from newspapers is posted there, because you should be subscribed to have full access to newspaper. I can conclude that you didn't read the article posted there. I already told that it is Nezavisne novine from Banja Luka, but you are a Serb and I am sure you understand. Emir Arven 15:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary to Srebrenica massacre

Please do not use inflaming words in your summaries as it is a form of attack. Please see WP:CIVIL. Ronbo76 03:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Which are...? Emir Arven 03:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Examples so there is no doubt on which edit summaries are reffered to, some examples:
  • [6] - "man, are you stupid or what?! citation is just in the next paragraph for God's sake!"
  • [7] - "7th muslim brigade is not el-mujahid unit! so the souces are at the wrong place. man, you are lost! if you don't know much about the subject don't be ridiculous!"
// Laughing Man 15:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
How would you act to provocation made by Serb/Croat nationalists, who don't participate in the discuss but destroy articles, now and then? Teach me, what to do!Emir Arven 15:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I think a start is to read the link given by Ronbo76 above, WP:CIVIL, and also WP:NPA might be helpful. // Laughing Man 15:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Well don't put bull shit (is this word slang or a bad word?) in my talk page. And yes, I read it. On the other hand, you should warn your Serb mates, just look at their contribution. Regards. Emir Arven 15:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

This is your only warning. The next time you make a personal attack as you did at Srebrenica massacre[8], you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. —Psychonaut 13:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The man didn't read the article, so I asked him this question: "man, are you stupid or what?!", because according to his contribution it was obvious that he moves from article to article in order to provoke. As you didn't warn him, I asked him that question. It is not personal attack, but commen sense, or you didn't see this "?" at the end of the above question. Emir Arven 15:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FrancisTyers

Can anyone ask Francis Tyers to come here and check this situation, if he is willing? He is really good mediator, we once had mediation in Republika Srpska article. Emir Arven 12:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Francis_Tyers#Francis.2C_please_come_and_mediate Bosniak 20:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanx Bosniak for your help, jesi li napravio prijavu za sockpuppet-a. Look at the evidence, above. Emir Arven 20:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Jesam, odmah nakon sto sam prvi put reportovao onog indijca, onda sam reportovao i Ivana kao sockpuppet-a, ali je neko izbrisao. Sto se tice tkz. gradjanskog rata u sarajevu (glupost), taj clanak sam nominirao da bude izbrisan, pogledaj ovdje i ovdje klikni ovdje. Provjeri svoju email. Zivio. Bosniak 20:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Bosniak good work, ali molim te posalji ponovo zahtjev za sockpuppeta! Don't give up!Emir Arven 20:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you have posted comments on an article or user discussion page in a language other than English. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you are addressing your comments. This is because comments should be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. —Psychonaut 21:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan K

Hey Emir, I've taken contact with him to see what's going on. He better give a damn good reason, don't you say?  ;) Regards Ancient Land of Bosoni

Well, he will probably delete it before you know it :) As you can see above I have found new evidence of him being a sockpuppet, but I can't report him know because I was blocked as you can see, you should do that. That is very strong evidence. Regards. Emir Arven 14:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Merhaba Emire, I had no idea you were blocked! Why? I've given our friend Ivan a warning in agreement with wikipedia assume good faith. If he doesn't stop his disruptive behaviour I will immediately report him, using all possible evidence. Ancient Land of Bosoni

[edit] Hi

Sorry this took so long, do you still require mediation? - Francis Tyers · 08:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Francis, thank you very much for your visit, I know you are busy and don't have time for all this, but can you just tell me your opinion about this? Was this misuse of admin rights (72 h block, and while I was blocked I got 2 weeks more, and a sock puppet who insulted me didn't get 2 weeks, although he was warned earlier about sockpuppetery). You can read my discussion about what happened here - a section above. Regards. Emir Arven 19:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Sideshow Bob

Good day Emir. I thought you would like to be enlightened with this user's recent witch hunt on you [9]. I've given him a recommendation to stop. Ancient Land of Bosoni

I told him above what I said to user Bosniak about him (although it was private message I wrote for user Bosniak in Bosnian languge). He is aware of that, and now many other users are, and that was my goal. It is dishonest to do everything to delete pictures related to Bosnia, Srebrenica Genocide, Sarajevo massacres, Bosniak symbols etc. It is really sad, for an adult. Emir Arven 20:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Emir. There seems to be a small misunderstanding here. It wasn't a private message. Wikipedia talk pages are used to advance the goal of creating an encyclopedia; everything posted to these pages is public. For this reason, you should always post in English. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 16:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Straw poll on Srebrenica massacre

As a result of persistent edit warring on Srebrenica massacre, I have proposed that a straw poll be taken regarding one of the issues involved—namely, how to title the section currently named "Alternative views". This will help us to determine whether there is a consensus on what to title this section, or at least a consensus on what not to call it. The straw poll can be found at Talk:Srebrenica_massacre#Straw poll on "Alternative views" section. I have posted this announcement to each of the 19 users who have made multiple edits to Srebrenica massacre this year. —Psychonaut 13:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User notice: temporary 3RR block

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

The duration of the block is 72 hours. Here are the reverts in question. Aksi_great (talk) 11:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You didn't count well. Check it again! This is misuse of admin rights! Emir Arven 11:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I reverted twice not fourth time, because a user put the same section twice in the article and he repeated that, although I asked him to read first in order to realise that. Two other edits were not reverts because I corrected some very importan information and continued to wikify. So you blocked me and misused your right. Emir Arven 11:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
And you didn't warn me about 3RR before blocking me! So can anyone post my statements to other admins? Emir Arven 11:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bosniak

Emir, Psychonaut is not an administrator, so don't worry about his warnings. He has nothing to do, so he tries to scare people by warning them if they don't agree with his point of view. By the way, he seems to spend 24 hours on wikipedia. Whenever I make an edit, he's there to revert it (well, most of the time). Just assume good faith and ignore his disruptive behavior. Cheers. He's been also accused of Holocaust denial, as is evident from his user page. Cheers. Bosniak 20:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I am aware of that, I am an old Wikipedian...Emir Arven 07:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | rangeblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs) has asked to be unblocked, but an administrator has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock request while you are blocked.

Request reason: "Two Indian administrators misused admin policy and they blocked me in coordinated action. They are: Nichkid64 and Aksi great. Their admin rights should be taken away. I got a 2 weeks block, after a 72h block. First Aksi blocked me for 72h then Niskid64 blocked me for two weeks, because I said that Aksi great misused his rights."

Decline reason: "You have been blocked for 3rr violations; and then afterwards the block was extended to two weeks for personal attacks. Your behavior is unacceptable; feel free to contribute positively after the block is over. ~ Arjun 12:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)"

Please make any further unblock requests by using the {{unblock}} template. However, abuse of the template may result in your talk page being protected.

Wrong! What personal attacks? Ivan Kricancic didn't get two weeks, and he was the one who insulted me few times. You are another Indian administrator who is misusing your right! Shame! This should go to Meta Wiki! Emir Arven 12:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I got two weeks for what? Ivan Kricancic insulted my whole nation in his user page and me for a few times, and he didn't get two weeks. Now, three Indian cooperative admins are acting together to show me that I am inferior. Well, there is Meta Wiki, there is email list, there is Jimmbo. Emir Arven 12:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

First of all, I don't even know Aksi great. Arjun saw this request at the admin category for requests to be unblocked. Don't bring in your misuse claims when you clearly made personal attacks against Ivan, and now Aksi and I. I will extend your block if you keep this up. The length of your block was set based on your previous history as a frequent 3RR violator and for making personal attacks. Nishkid64 15:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, Ivan got a 3 day block because it is his first offense, and he made an attempt to make peace with you, Emir. Nishkid64 15:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
First of all don't make threats to me! Second of all I will bring this to Meta, because you didn't show me what personal attacks. Third, first block was allegedly because of 3RR and personal attacks, and it was 72h, and I didn't broke 3RR, nor made personal attacks, just replying to insults. Fourth I am not a frequent 3RR violator, you should check those dates more carefully and reasons behind it. Fifth, Ivan insulted me saying things about me like: stupid fool, fuck off loser, dickhead, too stupid, and then he reported me for braking 3RR. He provoked me then repoted me. And I got 72h, and after that 2 weeks more, even I was already blocked. The problem is actually I found Ivan was a sockpuppet, so I told him that. In order to find the truth I suggested him that we ask someone with Check User rights, but he continued to insult me. [10] And finally I am aware of blocking policy and admin rights. Ivan was also blocked earlier, and this is not his first offense. He insulted me earlier as well. I also found this evidence: Ivan Kricancic - proven sock puppets.

Here is conclusion about that

Case proven. Besides common interests, origins, and residences, they both edit the exact same deletion disputes minutes after each other, with the same opinions, and even same misspellings (it's). If they aren't the same person, they are brothers editing from the same computer.

  • 04:52, September 28, 2006 Ivan_Kricancic Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 September 27 * 04:58, September 28, 2006 Rts_freak Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 September 27 [4] * 00:33, September 29, 2006 Rts_freak Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 September 29 [5]
  • 00:37, September 29, 2006 Ivan_Kricancic Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 September 29 Note their identical rationale for keeping fair use images.
  • 11:40, December 1, 2006 Ivan_Kricancic Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Petula Shaw-Dennis [7]
  • 11:43, December 1, 2006 Rts_freak Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Petula Shaw-Dennis [8] Note that this was Rts_freak's only edit for 3 days before and 6 days after - he logged on, wrote "Delete - Per nom. I mean, come on." in an AfD, and logged off for six more days.

Blocking Rts freak, strongly warning Ivan Kricancic not to do that again. --AnonEMouse (squeak)

As you can see he was warned earlier, and you are saying to me that this was his first offense!? And still making threats to me?! Well, this is not over. I will not close this case until it is closed properly. Emir Arven 17:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I did not know about Ivan's previous sockpuppet history. Regardless, I'm not extending his block to 2 weeks just to make it fair for you. He was once blocked, but that was nearly 11 months ago.

On the other hand, you have broken 3RR multiple times and have been blocked for personal attacks too.

I was blocked a year ago for 3RR, but also not just me, but the others in the discussion. Those were Balkan-related discussions, because many users just come without sources just to provoke, putting their provocation even in user pages, then removing sourced parts from the articles, or lying about them. I contributed a lot, finding relevant documents, reading so many materials. Emir Arven 20:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, you should not have been talking to this user and accusing him of sockpuppetry without having any CU proof to back you up. You should have just gone to RFCU first, and then settled the matter there instead of provoking Ivan into making personal attacks against you. And for goodness sake, I live in the United States, not India. Nishkid64 20:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I had a proof, didn't you read the discussion? I showed him that. Emir Arven 20:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
And you're not helping your case by flipping out and accusing me and Aksi of administrator abuse. That was totally uncalled for. I might have reasoned had you not resorted to personal attacks against me and Aksi. Nishkid64 20:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
What ever you did, it was unfair. You didn't check both of us, you just came and blocked me for two weeks. Emir Arven 20:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I blocked Ivan first. I wasn't going to block you, but after taking a look at your edits, I saw that you should have been blocked as well. Nishkid64 21:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Do you understand me at all for God's sake? You said above: I did not know about Ivan's previous sockpuppet history. Regardless, I'm not extending his block to 2 weeks just to make it fair for you.Nishkid64 20:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC) This means that although you are now aware of his sockpuppet history, you are not going to block him because you don't want to please me. Well, admin should have the same standard for all users, you shouldn't behave according to your feelings but according to Wikipedia policy. And that is my main complaint! I made some research and I also found new evidence about user who called me fool, dickhead etc. although I never insulted him like this. Ivan is a Croat, and as you know I am a Bosniak. But when he created his new account he wrote in his user page that he's a Bosniak: Articles of particular interest to me are ones concerning Bosnia, as I am an ethnic Bosniak. But, being born and raised in Australia, I suffer from "the curse of the English speakers", that is, It's really hard to learn another language even if you reall want to. I dislike it when anyone inserts POV into Wikipedia, as it is bad for the whole project. [11], so he decided to work on Bosnian related articles representing himself as a Bosnik and inserting false information about my nation. First he started to remove symbols of my nation as you can see here: [12], and he continued to do so with other pictures (you have to know that other honest users made a very significant effort to find those pictures and donate it to Wikipedia). And finally he was caught, but got just a warning (also his second account was blocked, but he wasn't). Later I came and noticed similar behaviour (I showed you an evidence) and I warned user Bosniak about that in Bosnian language (it was personal message to warn him about user who is removing pictures), so Ivan came to me (although I didn't start discussion with him) and discussion was triggered. But meanwhile he provoked me in some Bosnian related articles in order me to revert, and then repoted me. So I got 72h, and he came to apologise to me (it was a show for you admins) because he was afraid that someone will look carefully what happened. I hoped so. But noone did. Then you came and blocked me for 2 weeks more. And after all this facts, you still don't understand? Emir Arven 06:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


User Nishkid64, you should be ashamed of yourself and your actions. If there is any impartiality on wikipedia, then you should be stripped away all your admin privileges. We will continue exposing your impartiality and demanding your admin privileges be stripped away. Bosniak 03:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bosniak

Bošnjak, jel možeš ovaj gore zahtjev radi sprječavanja sokpapeta uputit umjesto mene, jer sam blokiran, i ako možeš samo prenesi one moje primjedbe koje sam napisao na blokadu jer su me blokirali mimo pravila. A imaš i ova četiri slučaja gdje me ovaj korisnik vrijeđa, pa i to proslijedi, jer se radi o provokacijama. Emir Arven 15:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Evo ti još jedan dokaz da se radi o sockpuppetu: 58.165.126.17 radi se o ovoj izmjeni 58.165.126.17, čovjek je piše iz Brisbane, Queensland, iako kaže da nije, ali to su činjenice. Ima i više dokaza nego treba. Emir Arven 15:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Please use English for all talk page discussions on Wikipedia. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 17:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I can do that Emir. Sockpuppets are not welcome. I am shocked that you were blocked. I think I told you to beware user Psychonaut, he spends 24 hours on wikipedia complaining about other people. He's been complaining almost about my every move failing to assume good faith. He even denied existence of Bosniak Canadian identity by nominating this term for deletion. He was blocked for disruptive behavior in the past and he's been constantly posting warning messages to people, etc. Nevertheless, I will report sockpupet. Bosniak 03:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A resolution

I wish to apologise for any and all personal attacks/incivility I have made against you. I hope you will forgive me, and find your way around to apologizing to me as well. I also would have proffered that this discussion had never started (remember, it all started from me asking a question about an edit summary, and from there it just got really ugly), and I wish for it to come to an end right now. I will remove any derogatory references about you from my user page if you remove derogatory references about me from your talk page. Anyway, I am sorry. Also remember; you don't have to accept my apology if you don't want to, but let us please put this to an end, as it is childish, immature behaviour from both of us. Thank you. —KingIvan 23:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ivan has been blocked for 72 hours for personal attacks against you, and you have been blocked for personal attacks and a 3RR violation. If you continue with the personal attacks after your lengthy block, you will be blocked for months, possibly. Nishkid64 00:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
You blocked me for 2 weeks?!!!!! Why???? This is clear misuse of admin rights!!!! You didn't block him for insulting my ethnicity in his user page! Emir Arven 09:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aksi_great - Misuse of Admin Rights

Hi Emir,

I have posted a notice to Administrator Notice Board, here is the link. And here is a copy of my message to them:

Misuse of Admin Rights, User: Aksi_great Attention Wikipedia Administrators, User Aksi_great has misused his admin rights when blocking another user Emir_Arven. Emir Arven's complaint can be found here.. I am recommending Aksi_great admin privileges be stripped away or at least, you should investigate this clear abuse of admin rights. Bosniak 03:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents"

I also sent you an email. Bosniak 03:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Bosniak, when I was first blocked and when I was asleep, Nishkid64 blocked me for 2 weeks more, and I don't know why? Can you report him! He also deleted comments about sockpuppet in my talk page, which means that he supported him, and that was clear misuse. He didn't block him, he didn't report him, and he is the one he provokes. Emir Arven 09:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Prijavi ga za sockpuppet, imaš dole link koji sam postavio, a koji je ovaj administrator izbrisao. Emir Arven 09:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nichkid64 and Aksi great - Misuse of admin rights

Two Indian administrators misused admin policy and they blocked me in coordinated action. They are: Nichkid64 and Aksi great. Their admin rights should be taken away. I got a 2 weeks block, after a 72h block. First Aksi blocked me for 72h then Niskid64 blocked me for two weeks, because I said that Aksi great misused his rights. This is not over. I will be back, and you are not going to misuse your rights again. Regards. Emir Arven 09:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)