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[edit] Release Date?

On htp://www.Kingmathers.com it's showing a new message that says March 4th 2008. Is there any truth to this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/G (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

No, there is no truth in this. If there was, eminem would have at least said there actually was an album. Oh and there is no Like Toy Soldiers 2. I have a million arguments on that but i will go with... what would the chours sound like- Step by step, heart to heart we all fall down like toy soldiers...2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Eminem really needs to clarify this whole thing and stop being so secretive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/G (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Well it turns out that the king mathers site is a forum now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.131.213 (talk) 05:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

One of the past wikipedia pages on King Mathers had this listed. "King Mathers is the name of the upcoming studio album from rapper Eminem. It is set to be released on June 24, 2008." Is there any truth in this or were they just vandalizing the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It's possible. I've heard that it's supposed to be coming out from May-August. But we have to wait and see I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.131.213 (talk) 21:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Featured guests

[edit] Kanye West

Who said Kanye was gonna be on the album? please confirm it. volumesoxxs 11:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No way Kanyes on it he could produce but no way is he rappin on eminems albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

HA! you really think Kanye would produce Em? Eminem is good enough, he doesnt need anybody other then himself and Dre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.93.196 (talk) 09:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jay-Z

It said that Ca$his confirmed an appearance by Jay-Z, but when I checked the source there was no sign of it ((source #4!!)) So I deleted the part that said Jay-Z was featured and replaced it with something else Ca$his had said about the album. Don't trust? Check the source. Peace... Darius20 14:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 50 Cent

hey check this guys......we should mention this in the article..shouldn't we...?? http://www.forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?t=39506 --Frans Adiesha 18:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Royce Da 5'9"

In an interview with Bishop Lamont on dubcnn.com on the home page, Bishop Lamont says that there is a possibility of bad meets evil duo with Royce on King Mathers. Should this be included in the article? volumesoxxs 01:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

No defintly no Royce. He recently called Eminem a "cracker" and Cashis threatened to hurt him (Royce). Cashis claimed he wasn't starting a beef, but just defending the man who saved his life and family by helping become an artist. Eminem wouldn't put him on the cd now even if they already had the track. Besides, when Bishop Lamont said Bad Meets Evil 2, i think he was just saying something like that, not saying that Royce and Eminem are going to work together. Royce has always had beefs with D12, just not Em. Now it has become personal with Marshall. So, no Bad Meets Evil 2 or Royce tracks as Marshall and Royce have a beef. This doesn't need to go in the article though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I just read on RapBasement's news forum that they just resolved their beef (:D) so Royce is a possibility now. SlimShady6135 (talk) 03:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

SlimShady6136, it is good that you found more info about the album, but not all of us are members of rapbasement whatever and therefore, cant read the article. Back to royce, i know they resolved a while ago, but i think it is 2 soon for them to work together. This is good as another source confirming the album. BUT WHERE DOES IT SAY THE ALBUM IS DUE IN THE SUMMER. I CHECKED THE FIRST 2 SOURCES AND THERE IS NO I REPEAT NO PROOFL. Jmilisc9 (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Album title

Ca$his confirmed the album on skee.tv.http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6B0_ESdL9A —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadyaftrmathgunit (talk • contribs)

Already this hasnt even be confirmed. 64.53.200.216 08:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Ca$his confirmed it and it already has it's own promo site. TahoeLTz71 20:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

So... the album is actually going to be called "King Mathers"? -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 15:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

What an awful choice of name lol...! Football 7 16:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

aint the greatest of names i would have prefered something like Standing Ovation, that would have been wicked :P

I was actually expecting something show-related, like his other albums, but, hey, King Mathers is cool too. -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 01:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Its just a rumor hope this aint the name for real it sucks he needs to go back to his old flow fuck that southern shit hes doin with t.i. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

The name of the album is currently King Mathers. The website for the album is www.kingmathers.com/ There are some talented people with Photoshop, but none that would register the KingMathers.com domain and one that would mimic Eminem's trademark look. If you doubt the authenticity of the site, then bookmark it and check it around October and November.

Impala63 22:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Eminem's publicist just confirmed that the kingmathers.com website is fake.[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by CheckP (talk • contribs)

This was posted on the net such a long time ago, like earlier this month.. why hasnt anyone aded this yet? album called Living Proof; King Mathers and the first single will be called Pushin - want proof - : http://boards.ign.com/hip_hop/b5113/154291976/p1/?64 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.126.217 (talk) 04:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I saw that 2 sum1 should look into it

It is actually hard to say which album fans are anticipating more, Detox or the label’s second album scheduled for release in early March. After rumors of retirement it seems Eminem has decided to step back in the booth with his fifth solo LP “Living Proof: The King Mathers LP.”

“Living Proof” will feature much heavier tones than Mather’s last outing, 2004’s “Encore” which left fans and the industry confused. Aftermath plans to release the albums first single “Pushin’” in January as well as the street single “King Mathers” featuring Eminem protégé Ca$his soon after. Following in the footsteps of Eminem's friend Nas, “Living Proof” is Eminem’s attempt to save his passion in the name of his fallen friend Proof.

A rare occurrence for Eminem, the album will also feature outside production from Scott Storch and J.R. Rotem as well as Eminem, the majority of the production ranks will be handled by Dr. Dre as well as the album’s first two singles.

And more proof that it's coming in March:

You can't stop me from toppin' these charts. And you can't stop me from droppin' each March. With a brand new CD for these f***in' retards.

Source is all over the internet.'


OKAY... here is the page. 1. Eminem has NEVER released an album in march, ever, don't take his rhymes seriously. 2. It is March and we know that DJ Premier will produce some of the album and there is no "Pushin" in January or album due in March. 3. Finally, this article has no source... Hold on... it says all over the internet??? What a load of $h!T. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

When he says you can't stop him from toppin' charts...he says that in a song called: Criminal on TMMLP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.157.153 (talk) 16:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cover

Possible Cover for King Mathers

Image:Eminemkingmathersalbumcover.jpg

[edit] Targets on the Album

someone should remove the kyle spratt and the mariah carey thing because I couldn't find anything confirmed by anyone so I don't think it belongs in the article.

In a recent issue of OK! Magazine, (the one with Jen Anniston on the cover) there is a (gay-ass anti-Em) article that confirms he disses Mariah. And he should. She's such a fucking whore.- Blade

Cool, thanks for adding the sources. volumesoxxs 10:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Why the hell would he wast time dissin spratt? Hope he doesnt waste too much on Mariah either except a few lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Album theme

Any idea whether the album will be Marshall Mathers angry, or Slim Shady funny? Slim Shady has been in rest for far too long. -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 02:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking we'll see Shady quite a bit here. I hope. Shady's one evil bastard, but 99.9% of what he says is true. I like the Marshall raps, too, though. I'm hoping for an album overall more like The Marshall Mathers LP and less like Encore. NO Puke, My First Single, or Ass Like That. And for gods sakes, does anyone else feel that the skits need to just die a horrible death already. That Em calls Paul skit is the worst thing I've ever heard.
P.S. I'm the guy who reported the source for the Mariah Carey thing.- Blade

I would like to see another The Eminem Show. didnt like his first releases though... Encore was pretty shit..I hope there's no songs like what you referred... ^^^ these annoying skits needs to go and die down somewhere... No one listens to them when they listen to the album, they just skip it. we want it like Hip Hop Is Dead no intro no outro no skits. just normal music... Football97 15:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a good thing that you know what everyone listens to and what they dont listen to on an album then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.7.6 (talk • contribs)

The album will be sick if Jay-Z is on it. Most likely D12 will be on the album. I hope EM does a track with Nate Dogg and a track with Dre. I also hope that Dre produces most of the album.

TahoeLTZ71 00:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Album will be sick anyways if he goes back to his old days i heard he was gonna have mc juice on it. i actually thinks the skits werent bad apart from encore. album will be great hope most of it is solo shit just please no akon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Track listing

01. Public Service Announcement 3001
02. So Sorry (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Dawaun Parker)
03. Still Shady (Produced by: Dr. Dre)
04. Take My Spot feat. Jay-Z & Dr. Dre (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Dawaun Parker)
05. That’s Life feat. Akon (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Akon)
06. Jimmy Iovine (Skit)
07. Let Me Go (Produced by: Dr. Dre)
08. Things Ain’t The Same (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Hi-Tek)
09. Broken Promises (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
10. King Mathers feat. Ca$his (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
11. Follow Me feat. 50 Cent (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker)
12. Can’t Trust Nobody feat. Nate Dogg (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Focus)
13. Paul (Skit)
14. Withdrawl Syndrome (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
15. Staring At The Wall (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
16. As A Man feat. T.I. (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Luis Resto)
17. When It Rains feat. Mary J. Blige (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker)
18. I Love It feat. Obie Trice & Ca$his (Produced by: Dr. Dre)
19. What You Came For (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Focus)
20. Never Gave A Fuck (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: J.R. Rotem)
Posible Track's "Shotter" (Produced by Dr.Dre  & Mike Elizondo) "A Curtain Closed" ft. Proof  (Produced by Eminem & Luis Resto)

I'm just commenting on the "Tentative Tracklist" that someone else posted.

Hmm interesting, I could do without the lame comments on each one. I think whole section in the King Mathers talk page should be removed. volumesoxxs 11:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
^^^ You forgot to remove some of the lame comments.

Where are all these "rumored" tracklists coming from? Can someone tell me? I'm going to delete it for now, but if you can provide a source, it can get added back.

JpGrB 01:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Intro
2. Proof of Life ft. D12
3. Click Click Plow
4. D12 Calls Em [Skit]
5. Like Toy Soldiers 2
6. Show Me The Way ft. Akon
7. Detroit Rap City
8. Skid Row
9. Paul Rosenberg [Skit]
10. King Mathers
11. Cascade
12. Carry On
13. Knife To A Gun Show ft. T.I. & 50 Cent
14. Freestyle [Skit]
15. Locked Away
16. Back To Tha Lab ft. Dr. Dre
17. Hailie Jade [Skit]
18. My Baby
19. A Curtain Closed ft. Proof
20. Outro
See here: Image:Eminemkingmathersalbumback.jpg
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.95.179 (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I bet in one of his songs, someone'll say: All hail King Mathers! Live Long, King Mathers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.157.153 (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gah

He’s back! After being away for three years Eminem is planning to make a comeback with King Mathers, his fifth solo effort in eight years. The album is currently slated for an October release, with it’s first single “Still Shady” hitting the air waves as early as mid-August. Two clips are scheduled to be shot in Los Angeles starting July 23rd, the first being “Still Shady” a track featuring a menacing guitar riff while Eminem attempts to reclaim the title he once was so modest of. The second clip to be shot, “Follow Me” features 50 Cent and has the duo flowing to a beat reminiscent of 50 Cent’s smash single “Out of Control” a track that will undoubtedly garner plenty of rump shaking in the club these up coming months. Long time friend and collaborator Jeff Bass claims, “Expect an album like you have never heard from Marshall. He’s been through a lot since Encore and has a lot to say. This album is very different from his previous work.” Bass also promised that fans won’t be disappointed by Slim Shady inspired tracks like “Still Shady” and “Never Gave A fuck.” King Mathers also features a long overdue tribute to Mather’s fallen friend Deshaun Holton (Things Ain’t The Same), famous for his role in the film 8 Mile and a member of Mather’s Detroit rap collective D-12. You can expect King Mathers to hit stores October 16th. A special edition “King Mathers” will be released simultaneously featuring four tracks from the recently scrapped upcoming D-12 project that includes a surprising appearance by Three 6 Mafia as well as Stat Quo. “King Mathers” boasts possibly ten tracks produced by Dr. Dre as well as production from Hi-Tek, Dawaun Parker, Akon, & Eminem himself. The highly anticipated comeback album also features guest appearances by label mates Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Ca$his & Obie Trice as well as Jay-Z, T.I. & Mary J. Blige.

Sounds like a promotion. -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 01:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I would delete it, sounds more like an add then an encyclopedia and probably isn't true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.197.28 (talk • contribs)

i pray to god this is true Darius20 14:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

You need a source... "i pray to god this is true" does not work. --Ayoleftyz 15:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

and y would u pray they scrapped that D12 album anyway - NJ Rock

Ok, I want a source first of all to see where you find this because as far as I know there has been no announced first single and second of all, they are not scrapping the D12 album. I recommend that this also be removed from the King Mathers talk page. volumesoxxs 11:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmation

[edit] Sources and hearsay

First off, you guys need to start giving a lot more sources for all of this information or the page needs to be deleted/cut down until sources/information are given. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and we are not serving anyone by citing rumors or fake information for articles. I have cleaned the page up, format wise and have put "Never Gave a Fuck" up for deletion as it has no reason to even be created. Half of the information in the article should be removed until sources are given. --Ayoleftyz 15:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Finally someone steps up to the plate and does this, thank you Ayoleftyz volumesoxxs 12:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

There is going to be a song with 50 cent, Jay-z and eminem on eminems next album. If somebody wants to find the source and post it that would be cool. It was in one of fifty cents interviews.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.196.114 (talk) 02:26, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmation from Stat Quo

stat quo has also confirmed the album in a recent interview http://www.forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?t=39048 --Frans Adiesha 06:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Official non-formum link here. Thanks for finding that --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 10:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmation from Eminem

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003640038 Daniil Maslyuk 02:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

It is not confirmation, and adds nothing to the article. The subject matter is already included a Eminem#2007. When confirmation comes, it'll be unambiguous. Anything that it not unambiguous can be taken to be something other than confirmation. -Tagishsimon (talk) 11:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

i agree this proves nothing & should be deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChamillitaryNGR (talk • contribs) 17:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comeback album?

Why is this being described as a comeback album? Eminem hasn't exactly fallen off the map or lost popularity, has he? 68.13.245.143 22:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's more of the fact that he supposedly was going to stop making solo albums I think. 70.245.13.252 06:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, this is not a comeback album. --Ayoleftyz 00:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It is because of the fan dissapointment of Encore, I also agree that this is not a comeback album but I don't think the talk page should be discussing forum type topics. We are here to make help validate wikis articles, not turn it into a forum. volumesoxxs 12:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

What are you even talking about? He asked a valid question which helps improve the article with feedback. How do you think Graduation and Curtis stay so organized and formatted correctly? It takes discussion and experience to make "help validate wikis articles." By the way, how was Encore a fan disappointment? It only sold 5 million in the U.S. ALONE and another 11 million around the world. I don't think people were too disappointed otherwise you would have saw a substantial decrease in sales after the first week or two, albums that go 5x platinum with solid reviews across the board usually aren't categorized as a "fan disappointment." That kind of reception is incredible. Also, in no way am I an Eminem groupie, I respect his music and enjoy it yes, but it's just remarks like that which get under my skin. --Ayoleftyz 02:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

volumesoxxs was referring to it as a fan dissapointment, not a financial dissapointment 74.211.5.92 06:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the article (at the time I brought up the question) described King Mathers as a "long-awaited comeback album", which I disagree with. Although he hasn't had a studio album in three years, his Encore was far from a disappointment (it sold millions of copies, received generally positive reviews, and spawned several radio hits, as did all his Aftermath albums). Plus, he released a greatest hits album that sold well--carried by a strong new single ("When I'm Gone") and touring, plus he produced other artists and appeared as a guest rapper for multiple acts. No, Eminem hasn't been out of the spotlight in any sense that would require a 2007 comeback. But it's moot, since the article since has been altered. Peace. 192.234.13.40 18:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It is called a comeback album because many fans were disappointed with the recent trcks, such as the Touchdown, Eminem Presents: The Re-Up, and two of three tracks that were newly added to Curtain Call: The Hits, namely, "FACK" and "Shake That". These songs for some reason gave his hardcore fans some reason to lose faith in him, and now he is considered a "fall-off" by many of his so-called fans. So that is why it's called a comeback, because he lost at least half of his fanbase. If you look at forums, you'll see what I mean. - NJ Rock 15:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Shake That was awesome. So were Em's tracks on The Re-Up. I don't care for Touchdown and I HATE FACK, but Em hasn't fallen off the wagon. He's still the best rapper alive, and probably ever. (Yes, that includes 2Pac.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.227.24.185 (talk • contribs)

"It is called a comeback album because many fans were disappointed with the recent trcks. . . These songs for some reason gave his hardcore fans some reason to lose faith in him, and now he is considered a "fall-off" by many of his so-called fans. So that is why it's called a comeback, because he lost at least half of his fanbase." The album hasn't been released nor has anything from it been leaked; Eminem himself hasn't even confirmed the album's title. Nothing from this album has been made public so how can we just assume it is a comeback album? And Eminem isn't the best rapper alive. His older work is impressive and is definitely in the top ranks, but there are other artists with work much comparable to his own. The Psycho+Logical-Records artists are really underlooked... R-Tiztik 16:21, 1 August 2007 (UT

[edit] Release date

[edit] No album

There is no Eminem album on any release schedule. http://www.defsounds.com/news/view/2201-eminem-not-releasing-album-this-year.html--Shadyaftrmathgunit 11:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

This whole "no album scheduled" thing is kind of annoying. I think Eminem's own labelmates, and personal friends at that, would know more about what he's up to or planning than an industry nut. Then again publicists and Interscope executives would probably have to be informed on his plans; hmm... This whole thing is frustrating. If he really does have any plans on retiring he should redeem himself with a studio album, instead of retiring as a solo artist with Encore being his final studio album. Eesh. R-Tiztik 17:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that I think that there is an album too. More than one labelmate has confirmed it and that is more reliable than just one interscope official. --The-G-Unit-Boss 17:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

There is an album, unless all of his label mates are lying to see if they can piss us all off but yeah...anyways, the guy said no album on a release schedual I believe or something like that. That just means that theres no planned release date, not that he isn't making one.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.196.114 (talk • contribs)

Even KingMathers.com looks very official. Eminem's publicist specifically dismissed it as a hoax, but regardless of there being authenticity to the site in one form or another, it is very professionally done. It's layout is very reminiscent of the enhanced portion of the 8 Mile soundtrack. R-Tiztik 22:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I can think of countless albums that were alluded to but never happened. If that site were legitimate, it wouldn't immediately redirect to some message board. Fanboys put crap on the Internet that looks official all the time. The programs that are used by studios to create album artwork are the same ones on many people's desktops. --YellowTapedR 04:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

See topic below. R-Tiztik 04:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL Its crazy this about this album someone in the world needs to get an interivew with eminem and record it and then show it to the rest of the world and ask him in the interview weather he is or not making a new album. i havent seen eminem on tv for ages now back in december on trl i think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanjohns (talk • contribs) 23:41, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

An interview would definitely help, that's for sure. --- Realest4Life 01:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

there are at least 10 songs by Ca$his that refer to Eminem as "King Mathers" or mention "King Mathers" in such a way as to promote the album and inform the listener that they should "cop the album" —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChamillitaryNGR (talk • contribs) 17:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recorded/Release

Hi after looking at this I assumed that it was recorded in 2007. What do you lot think? --The-G-Unit-Boss 16:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

That is old, it was in May. A few days ago, an Interscope rep said there is no album scheduled to be released in 2007. So, he might also be recording it in 2008, that's why I removed it. --- Realest4Life 17:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The first songs recorded for the purpose of King Mathers (or its final title) were recorded in 2007 during T.I.'s T.I.P. recording sessions. There were also magazine reports of songs recorded targeting Mariah Carey which she was looking into filing a suit over, but this was a few months ago so I don't know how that went. He's probably working at something, demoing or something. Eminem's own friends would probably know more about what Em, personally, is up to or planning, rather than an Interscope official that would only be informed on his ultimate decisions, commercially. (Unless Eminem and Dennehy are hanging out now? Lol). Recording took, and is taking place in 2007 anyways, and if there truly is no album by the end of the year, recording will clearly take place in 2008 as well. R-Tiztik 18:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, but what I meant when I mentioned the Interscope rep was that his statements were only a few days ago, compared to 50 Cent's and Ca$his' statements, which were a few months ago. I agree that 2007 should definitely be there, but if the album is not going to be released this year, we should add 2008, and I don't think we should do that yet, especially since no one really knows what is going on right now. Also, what if the album isn't going to be released in 2008 either? What if Eminem decides to release it in 2009?! The reason I removed "2007" was because it might give the reader the impression that that is when all the recording took place, and I can't say for sure that he will record in 2008. --- Realest4Life 18:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that is true as well. Commonly in the case of an article for an album of ongoing recording, the year placeholder in the Infobox will appear as "Year – ???", but the question marks have always seemed to not do justice, to me anyways. I guess another way would be "Year – Present" like artist pages use; you don't see their Years active placeholder reading "Year – ???" haha. I'm not sure how to best reflect this on the article, it's definitely worth mentioning though. R-Tiztik 19:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with both of your commments. My solution would be to put, as R-Tiztik said, "Recorded - " and then wait untill more information is revealed. If the album is going to be released this year it shouldnt be too long before the promotion begins, and if it doesnt we can put 2008. :--The-G-Unit-Boss 19:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, so, the only solution I can think of, as R-Tiztik said, is to put "2007 – present". Does everyone else agree with this? --- Realest4Life 19:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

That would be the best thing to do. --The-G-Unit-Boss 21:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a question that is off-topic here. Did the Interscope rep also deny that the album's name is "King Mathers", or did he only deny that it will be released in 2007? --- Realest4Life 21:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

It was actually Eminem's "Interscope Records publicist" who said that "There is no Eminem album on any release schedule. The promotional site for King Mathers(www.kingmathers.com) is completely bogus." Heres the link if you want to read it for yourself —Preceding unsigned comment added by The-G-Unit-Boss (talk • contribs)

Thank you for the link. --- Realest4Life 23:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

No Problem --The-G-Unit-Boss 20:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, 2007-Present sounds good on the recording and I think the release date should be 2008 because I doubt the album will be coming out in 2007 especially if a publicist said that there was no release date for a new album. volumesoxxs 07:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting to think this as well. Records on major labels tend to see ultimate release around three months after completion, which would mean that King Mathers would need to be completed by the end of this month in order to attain a December 2007 release. A 2008 release is looking like a better option to note already. R-Tiztik 18:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Album delayed...

i just found this:

http://www.eminemweb.com/board/showthread.php?t=32780

it's basically sayin that the album is comin, but just not this year as it was intended... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.172.72 (talk) 03:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kingmathers.com

Actually kingmathers.com site was bought by member from hiphopsummit.com so it is a hoax site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.54.13.72 (talk • contribs)

Yeah lol, it was registered at GoDaddy haha. --Ayoleftyz 05:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I wasn't saying it was authentic anyways, just that it was very officially handled. R-Tiztik 05:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As of October 28th, 2007 www.kingmathers.com currently links to www.dashadyspot.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.35.236 (talk) 01:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

A tag has been placed on King Mathers, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

{{{This article is about an album that doesn't even exist and whose existence is denied by the artist's publicist. The article even says that it's just an Internet rumor}}}

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First off it doesn't just say it's an internet rumor, although it does mention his publicist discrediting the album. But it also sources mentions of his close fellow artists that have alluded to its existence. It's existence is as credible by two of his personal friends as it isn't by an incessant publicist. See above. R-Tiztik 00:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeh. If you want a reason to keep this article. How about reading it?. Everybody is going by one publicist but they dont consider that Eminems own labelmates might know more about his plans that he does. There are more sources FOR the album than there are against it. --The-G-Unit-Boss 12:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

That is true, but people should also remember that the publicist's statements were about a week ago. Ca$his' and 50 Cent's were months ago. A lot could have changed. --- Realest4Life 14:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
There is actually only one source who says that the album will be called King Mathers. The introduction to the article is way too definitive in saying, "King Mathers will be the fifth album by Eminem." So, there are two sources in the article saying he is recording a new album, one source saying he it'll be called King Mathers, and his publicist saying nothing is in the works. Pretty weak. --YellowTapedR 17:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

50 Cent mentioned the album being recorded as well, he just didn't call it by name. I doubt that all these fellow rap artists are alluding to this album just to bring up people's hopes for nothing. Why would they mention it at all if they didn't know shit about it. They're labelmates and good friends with Eminem so I think they would know something about it, it's common sense. If the introduction and article don't suffice with anyone then why don't you just change it to Eminem's fifth studio album; don't just delete it. Its existence is as notable, if not more in certain aspects, than its non-existence. R-Tiztik 18:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with both of you. There actually wouldn't have been any problems with the page if Eminem himself would have confirmed it. Also, I would not oppose the page being moved to "Eminem's fifth studio album". --- Realest4Life 23:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I changed the intro a little bit to make it not as definitive. Maybe that solves it. --YellowTapedR 20:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wording

Someone should change the line "it is uncertain whose staement is correct". Both of them are correct. 50 said there was an album but didn't mention a release date. His publicist said there was no album on any release schedule but didn't deny there was an album in the works. SlimShady6135 01:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

We don't need to, I changed it because 50 Cent did not allude to the album being released in 2007, Ca$his did. So one of them must be wrong. --- Realest4Life 01:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, his publicist said that there was no new album in the works, but he may not be simply not revealing there is an album in the works while only confirming that there is no release date planned; he may literally mean that to his knowledge there is virtually no plans for a fifth album as of yet, plain and simple. I believe there is an album in the works, but that's just me being hopeful like many others; but I just think that the publicist provided the information he knew of and that we shouldn't be digging down further than anything he said. The wording is fine. R-Tiztik 03:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that makes sense too, him simply not being aware of what is going on with the album. --- Realest4Life 03:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New song off the album???

check this out....what do you think about it? YouTube.com - Eminem - Step Right Up Vacanzeromane 16:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

i was thinking it could be the 1st single off his new album, but most links n rumours say a mixtape will find out soon enough em or some site will say bout it hopefully - alanjohns —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanjohns (talk • contribs) 00:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Another new song?? Vacanzeromane 12:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like an unreleased encore track cuz hes talkin about MJ, and that Puppet Dog voice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.211.5.92 (talk) 04:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

This is obviously mixtape-material. Interscope isn't going to release something as unpolished as that for a single -- then again, they released Encore. At any rate, it shouldn't be listed as a "rumored track" just because it exists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.109.56 (talk) 20:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

DJ Premier announced that 'The Key to the City' would be the first single... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.250.247.50 (talk) 13:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] ALBUM INFO

HEY WHO REMOVED THE Lil' Wayne Part. Huh!?!? Read The Carter III, Lil' Wayne sent eminem lyrics for a song. The INFO IS TRUE SO WHY DID SOMEONE DELETE IT!?!

Agreed, put it back up. http://www.rapbasement.com/news/lil-wayne/lil-wayne-talks-beef-and-has-craziest-song-for-eminem.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.84.200 (talk) 21:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

BetacommandBot 12:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Because this has to do with eminem and but not with the album... so this news has been added to the Eminem article (Eminem#2007). Vacanzeromane 19:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Real or fake?

I found a cover on the internet that is claimed to be the cover of this album. It is here. Is it real or fake? Rappingwonders2 (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

King Mathers isn't even the name of the album so its fake. SlimShady6135 (talk) 04:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release

If it's due before summer and the detox page says the detox is due by june and thats summer so cant we put on release date for now between feb and may 2008.

Also, Dre confirmed last year that he will be actually working on Em's new album, so I'd assume by now they're done with it...all we need to wait for is the release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.84.143.75 (talk) 10:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

im the guy who wrote If it's due before summer and the detox page says the detox is due by june and thats summer so cant we put on release date for now between feb and may 2008 and the way i see it he prolly aimn for a april may cuz u cant drop the single and then have a quick album realese in march just not sumthin marshall would do maybe a single in march but no realese —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.250.156.12 (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

We cannot add anything until it's been confirmed by a reliable source. GlassCobra 02:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

If what i found is true, and that Focus is stil working with Marshall on his album, i think we should let people know that it isn't even done yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

true true i no just sayin just when u think bout it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.250.156.12 (talk) 02:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.kingmathers.com/ reaveals the release date to be March 4th, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.82.229 (talk) 13:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

March 4th is in 5 days fam if it drop in 5 days i wish with no single yet i would say add it but kingmathers.com was a hoax before so how can u no now for sure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.254.168.30 (talk) 05:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


I recently went to my Local Target In the Bay Area and next to 50 Cent's Curtis Disc was a sticker with King Mathers Visible and when i asked the manager he removed it.--Thriller Mathers (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Focus

On February 29, 2008, rapper Focus who has worked with Dr. Dre, Eminem and Busta Rymes confirmed that in fact Eminem is at work with a new album. In fact, he also said that he was helping him with it. [1]

I just found this. Is this a relilble source that proves that there is no March 4th date because if there was he would have mentioned it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs)

I have sourced it properly. --JpGrB 18:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Does anyone think that the page should be changed to Eminem's 5th Studio Album instead of King Mathers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, this title was confirmed by Cashis, as stated above. --JpGrB 19:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I just provided links for "bad meets evil" and Marshall Mathers, T.I, Slim Shady and made it clear that kingmathers.com is fake by making it italic. I don't want people to think the bad meets evil part is bogus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Kingmathers.com- 3.4.08 New Ownership

I recently edited the page to tell people that this website is just a forum and the official page of the album like people said on this exact article before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of forums about upcoming albums. They're not official, nor notable, which is why it was removed from the article several times. dearly (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I know it is a forum. If you look on the previous versions of the (Wikipedia article, like when all this king mathers hype began in june-august of 07) article on king mathers, people said that it was the offical site for the album. In fact, the new owner of kingmathers.com, Emil denies that it is nor ever was the official site. If someone doesn't give one good reason why it shouldn't be in the article it should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs)

Well, you just gave one reason why it SHOULDN'T be in the article. We've already decided long ago that it is not appropriate to place the URL in the article. It's just not notable right now. The article already mentions that the site is not official, and that's as far as we're going with it. dearly (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cover Of the Album

i uploaded a edited pic from [2] Image:King_Mathersfront.jpg

that is defintly fake. Kingmathes.com is a forum, please don't put that on the article, it will just get people hyped up for nothing. I think that we are finally going to find out what is going on in june when Dre releases Detox, after all, he said he would let Em release his album first. That defintly won't be the cover for the album though.

[edit] Will Someone Finnaly Change The Title Of This Page

As the album has not at all going to be called king mathers, its about time wikipedia sorted this page out, BACK TO 5TH STUDIO ALBUM i say!! King Mathers Is A Forum Jebus :P Yes but Cashis does clearly call it king mathers. He is asked if EM has a new album His exact words are, "Yeah, it's called King Mathers..." I just wish Em would say SOMETHING!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I no i agree eminem needs to come out and say extacly what it is, cant wait now tho, but album defenetly aint called king mathers, just you watch, same old wikipedia false info tho :P , Cashis calls em king mathers all time has done since re-up n before ull find tho :P

[edit] The Pre- King Mathers LP

I know this has been out for a while now, what is it really. I have most of the songs, the artwork for the album shows Em and I wana know if there is any truth in this. Post info on this mixtape here. Is Shady Aftermath/ Interscope responsible or is it a street mixtape. Is it as real as "Dretox?"

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[edit] Article Move.

Not that I argue with it, I'm just trying to understand why, even if it hasn't been confirmed by Em, or any of his reps, the page was moved. I thought Cashis stated it to be "King Mathers", so I thought we were sticking with that until another source "proved him wrong"? Just a question. --JpGrB 21:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I think DJ Premier knows more about the album than he is saying... or is he... No really, he knows the name and i think somehow after everyone on the net said that King Mathers would be a bad name, he (Marshall) changed it so he wouldn't be embarrased with his last album. Let it be noted that even before any of this started, Cashis always refered to Eminem as 'King Mathers.' He does so in the remix of Jimmy Crack Corn.

Yup. Ca$his refers to Em as 'King Mathers' in the song "Pistol Poppin'" as well.

I read the source, i don't think we have enought to say that it will be released in the summer. Eminem has yet to confirm this. If there isn't any proof then it will be changed. Besides, we've had that article since January and no one changed it to 'due in summer of 08 then', this isn't reliable info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Guys last warning, there is no summer 08 release date. If ther was em would have said something already!!!Jmilisc9 (talk) 15:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Living Proof

Whether or not King Mathers is in the name or not, the rumors of a name including Proof seem very likely. It is the probable name for the upcoming album that will serve as a tribute to Proof the fallen member of D12. "He can never, ever be replaced. He was, and always will be, my best friend."-Eminem. Jmilisc9 (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History merge

I restored the history that was cut-and-paste to this title from King Mathers. Please use the move function in the future, or use WP:RM if there's a blockage.

Note that I've also restored the pre-June 2007 that were at Eminem's fifth studio album. These edits were deleted per an AfD that happened May 2007, but I see no reason not to include them in the history. Cool Hand Luke 17:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Delayed... again

I just added info from the New York Post that says it is due next year possibly. It says the album isn't done and there are still tracks that em and dre are working on. Can someone cite it for me right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Any Track You See Not Comfirmed

Ok, this is coming before Detox. I personally don't think the track with T.I. will happen, it's to late, and its probably scrapped, even if they wanted to, they can't because he's on house arrest or i think he's in jail now; whatever. The track "Key's to the City" that seems logical i think it will be like Slim Shady LP, and Marshall Mathers LP put together, and a lil of The Eminem Show. Also, I think they're will be no guest appearences. Maybe a bonus track for Target or iTunes. Actually, i doubt that. Maybe like an underground detroit rapper will be on their twice. Or i don't know maybe Cashis.

-Piazzajordan2 How do you NOT Have guests. First of all this is his LAST AND FINAL album. 50 will definitly be on it, Dre will, D12 will, track(s) with Proof will, T.I will because they were ALREADY RECORDED A YEAR AGO, Ca$his will, Focus will (he is a rapper who helped produce a few tracks and will be featured). These people already (except Proof for obvious reasons, RIP Man) confirmed there existince on the album. Presently Em is reccording a new track with Royce da 59 for the album. The Eminem show was my favorite album. I hope he samples another song like he did with "stan" and "sing for the moment" when he does it is just genius. Keys to the city or whatever 1st single he wants to use wont be out for a while. DJ Premeir really didnt say that it would be the first single, just that he tampered with it and made it good. FYI, DJ premeir said Keys to the city is an angry marshall track like "way i am". Marshall has a pattern with his first singles.

SSLP- My Name is

MMLP- The Real Slim Shady

EMSHOW- Without Me

ENCORE- Just Lose It

All of these are Wacky Slim shady songs. Look at his second singles

SSLP- Guilty Consicence (there wasn't really anything serious on that album)

MMLP- Way I Am

EMSHOW- Cleanin Out my Closet

ENCORE- Like Toy Soldiers

These songs are more serious. Anyway there WILL BE GUESTS, and as said by the insider in the New York Post, nothing to come now, maybe next year or end of this year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

lol, you're calling guilty conscience a serious song? I honestly don't think any of Em's songs are serious

You don't think ANY of Eminem's songs are serious? I know Guilty Conscience wasn't...but what about Mockingbird , When I'm gone or Stan? That's what I thought..

68.165.5.20 (talk) 02:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

With the album due in the winter, i expect his first single to hit the 'net' around september-november. By the way, except for guilty conscience, all his singles follow the pattern i showed above.

[edit] FYI

I still don't see why you people have the album due in summer. Em is said to still be working on tracks with dre. Also, MARSHALL MATHERS STILL I REPEAT STILL HAS NOT CONFIRMED THE ALBUM. --Jmilisc9 (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


his publicist said nothing for a 2007 release.............said nothing of no 2008 Release —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.38.167 (talk) 06:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] King Mathers

Ca$his has confirmed the name is King Mathers...again. He also stated that it is due in the winter of 08. http://www.dashadyspot.com/interviews/cashis/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The picture previously posted is false. I looked all over interscope and nothing. There was no source so it was deleted. Apart from that, it looks fake anyway. Ca$his has re-confirmed it as king mathers, but that picture is totally false.Jmilisc9 (talk) 23:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

"In a recent interview with Emil Wagenius, Ca$his stated that Eminem's new album is due in the '4th quarter (winter) of 2008'. "All I can say, is look out 4th quarter ya’ll.. He graciously is letten me b able to eat, and take ova the summer and fall. Cuz winter time, is the all time winner’s time. ya dig." When asked about the name of the album he said, "I don’t lie to the public G. It’s called King Mather’s fa so!"

All I have to say is: Goddamn what did their English teachers teach?

Just so you know, i just realized that this Emil guy is a huge eminem fan. I mean, this might not be a relialbe source as it is traced from da shady spot. Why is this important? this is the owner of Kingmathers.com.Jmilisc9 (talk) 02:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Should the summary paragraph at the top be re-worded? Its kinda outdated. Especially since the source that said it comes out this summer isn't any better than Cashis saying it comes out this winter. SlimShady6135 (talk) 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

There is NO WAY the album is coming in the summer. There is just no way. We still havent even heard Eminem confirm the album. The page should not say summer. That source was from January. At least the Cashis interveiw is from April. Eminem would not drop a 'surprise' album. It isnt his style and is just plain stupid. You release a single to advertise your album before it is out. You people have no common sense if you believe it is due in June. PS i know its offtopic, but when does 50's album drop. Everyone said March and well... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

No need to worry about it anymore, I decided to update it myself. SlimShady6135 (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

WTF are you getting all these dates??? Dr. Dre didnt confirm it that is bullshit just like Black Juice. THat doesnt even make sense. "People say that i'm a BLACK JUICE." How stupid are you peopl???? Stop posting fake dates and stop saying that dr. dre confirmed it which he didnt (the release date). I am getting quite angry with Dre, 50 and Em as all of their albums should have been out by now and yet we have no clue when they are coming.Jmilisc9 (talk) 02:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)