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The article says that he studied in Manila, and then "... Aguinaldo returned to his native Luzon and helped lead an uprising that for a while drove the Spanish from the region." Well, Manila is also part of Luzon, so to where did Aguinaldo return? Maybe to Cavite? Those who know, please correct the text as it does not make geographical sense now. Ctande 21:26, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Whatever problem there was before, it seems to be fixed now. TheCoffee 07:11, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Aguinaldo on Bonifacio 2 Fascist? 3 What the... 4 Other details 5 Aguinaldo signature 6 Aguinaldo images 7 Infobox 8 Edit in Philippine-American war section

[edit] Aguinaldo on Bonifacio

The line "tried to reassert his leadership.." referring to Bonifacio, it's quite curious as to how Bonifacio has to reassert his leadership since he was the "Supremo" at the time. VodkaDry

[edit] Fascist?

Though he collaborated with the Japanese (under duress), was Aguinaldo a fascist? He is currently on the list of fascists. Ready over his biography the only fascist tendency I see was his dedication the the national flag. Any thoughts? -Willmcw 18:57, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

He lost in the election for President of the Commonwealth of the Philippines in 1935. He ran under the banner of the National Socialist Party. --Noypi380 15:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The National Socialist Party that existed in the Philippines at that time wasn't a Nazi party. While the term "national socialist" is usually seen as a synonym for "Nazi" today, there have been several political parties which have used that name in the past to simply signify that they are a nationalist party (and Aguinaldo was definitely a nationalist) advocating a Socialist system of government. Jsc1973 (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What the...

This should be in the Featured Articles Request. The Norse version of this is much much better than this. Let us do it. Kabitenyo din po kasi ako. Justox dizaola 11:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other details

Should he not have a successor? The Republic fell, though individual general contiued the fight. the position had been abolished so he woul not ha a successor in his constitutional line. 135 would mark another line. also, noriel is here as vice president?Gareon 18:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Why did the other countrys didn't want to know about him? 'bakit hindi kinilala si emilio aguinaldo?'TriYa 20:53, 6 November 2006

Dahil, the Philippine independence was not recognized. While revolutionaries were fighting for independence, the United States was negotiating to buy the Philippines from Spain. When Spain lost to the US, they completed the sale of the Philippines. --Jondel 05:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aguinaldo signature

http://www.filipiniana.net:8080/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_F000000000932.JPG --143.166.226.43 05:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aguinaldo images

I have seen this site with an image of Aguinaldo and the other one which could be useful to the article: http://filamgop.org/_wsn/page2.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BritandBeyonce (talk • contribs) 09:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

His Excellency  Emilio Aguinaldo
1st President of the Philippines Dictator of the Dictatorial Government[1] President of the Revolutionary Government President of the 1st Philippine Republic
In office May 24, 1899 – April 1, 1901
Prime Minister	Apolinario Mabini (1899) Pedro Paterno (1899)
Vice President	Mariano Trias
Preceded by	Newly Established
Succeeded by	Manuel L. Quezon (position abolished 1901-1935)
Born	March 22, 1869 (1869-03-22) Cavite El Viejo (Kawit), Cavite
Died	February 6, 1964 (aged 94) Quezon City, Metro Manila
Political party	Magdalo faction of the Katipunan, National Socialist Party
Spouse	(1) Hilaria del Rosario-died (2) Maria Agoncillo
Occupation	Military
Religion	Roman Catholic

I question some of the entries in the current infobox, shown at the right. I hope to avoid having this discussion degenerate along nationalistic POV lines, and ask that other discussion participants also try to avoid that. Having said that, I'll state the problems I perceive, the reasons I think that these are problems, and my suggested solutions:

• "order = 1st [[President of the Philippines]] <br>''Dictator of the Dictatorial Government''<ref>Philippine Legislature:100 Years, Cesar Pobre</ref><br>''President of the Revolutionary Government''<br>''President of the 1st Philippine Republic''" — My understanding of the History of the Philippines (1898-1946) (much of which I supplied, so I'm open to discussion about POV concerns — but such discussions are probably best held on that article's talk page rather than here), the sovereignty of the Philippines, as recognized by the family of sovereign nations at the time, passed from Spain to the U.S. with the conclusion of the Treaty of Paris (1898). My understanding is that the revolutionary group styling themselves as the government of the 1st Philippine Republic never achieved international recognition and never actually governed the country. I suggest adding a qualifying adjective, e.g. nascent.

• "predecessor = ''Newly Established''" — Surely it was preceeded by something. I suggest something like "Spanish rule" or "Spanish soverieignty".

• "successor = [[Manuel L. Quezon]] (position abolished 1901-1935)" — As my understanding is that the nascent revolutionary government never achieved sovereignty, I believe that there was no successor. Perhaps something like "superseded by territorial status under United States sovereignty." might work.

As it stands, IMHO, the article expresses a POV position that the First Philippine Republic government was a legitimate government of the country. This might be encyclopedic in an article something like Political history of the Philippines (I am surprised to find that a stub article with this name already exists) as a description of one POV held outside of WP, supported by cited supporting sources and contrasted against an alternatively held POV (as also cite-supported) that this was a nascent revolutionary movement which never achieved sovereignty, but I don't think this belongs here.

Comment? Objections to my making changes as outlined above? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 11:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I recognize a misapprehension on my part above. I was mistakenly taking Predecessor, etc. as referring to the government which Aguinaldo headed instead of as referring to Aguinaldo himslef. Looking at this as referring to Aguinaldo himself, I think that only one clarifying change needs to be made. I've added nascent as a qualifying term for First Philippine Republic. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit in Philippine-American war section

I've shortened the sentence which read

"On the night of February 4, 1899, a Filipino was shot by an American sentry as ,he thought, he crossed the Silencio Street, Sta. Mesa, Manila."

to read

"On the night of February 4, 1899, a Filipino was shot by an American sentry."

The article was recently edited to add the ",he thought," bit, which I do not understand and have removed. I've also removed the bit about Silencio Street because there are contradictory accounts regarding the precise location. Battle of Manila (1899)#Background quotes an eyewitness account of the incident which places the location on the San Juan del Monte bridge, and cites a source for the quote. However, in Manila, the National Historical Institute (NHI) has ordered the transfer of the commemorative marker from the San Juan Bridge to Sta. Mesa, saying that studies by Dr. Benito Legarda, former NHI chair, showed that the shot was fired somewhere between Blockhouse 7 (within Manila’s boundary) and Barrio Santol (Sampaloc District) on the connecting road that is now Sosiego (see Nancy C. Carvajal (February 4, 2008), RP-US war actually began in Manila, not San Juan, Philippine Daily Inquirer, <http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view_article.php?article_id=116603>. Retrieved on 23 May 2008 ). Since the info about the precise location of the incident is not important to this article, I thought it best to avoid the conflict here over that point by not mentioning the information. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 04:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)