Talk:Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.

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[edit] Sea Control Ship

If memory serves, Zumwalt was an advocate in the 1970s of reducing the U.S. Navy's use of multirole aircraft carriers in favor of sea control ships. IIRC, the SCS would be tasked with the defensive role of protecting sea lanes from Soviet/hostile forces while the carriers themselves would serve an exclusively offensive role. Obviously, the U.S. Navy was not restructured along those lines, but it would be helpful to have some information on this subject added to the article. 209.195.164.34 18:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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Elmo zumwalt was my great grandfather he was very brave. I miss him very very much my name is Allison Zumwalt and I am proud to be a ZUMWALT

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Some mention might be included of Zumwalt's permission to later CNO Michael Boorda to wear a "V" device on a Vietnam service ribbon. Reportedly the ensuing controversy led to Boorda's suicide though Zumwalt was long retired and therefore did not have authority to authorize the device in any case.

--Zumwalt did not give permission in any official sense. He simply stated his opinion that Borda's wearing a Combat V was not a problem. --Johnfmh 18:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The Navy Board that investigated the question (at the behest of Boorda's son) determined that Boorda wasn't entitled to wear the V's. DesScorp (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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He wanted to ease the stressful life aboard ships. Racial tensions were not a concern of his.GhostofSuperslum 13:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Zumwalt was very concerned about racial tensions. Read, among other things, his memoir On Watch. Several of the Z-grams were specifically aimed at this; e.g., Z-gram #66: EQUAL OPPORTUNITY IN THE NAVYPRRfan 13:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Someone has probably substituted an inflammatory statement into the Wikipedia article. "Equal opportunity" (i. e., "Mister Elusive") is not the same thing as "Racial tensions." I worked as a crew member of an aircraft carrier for four years. We were so busy that there was little time for "Racial tensions." Some people got up on the wrong side of the rack ("bed" in Navy talk) every day, but most anxieties disappeared due to sweating and muscular fatigue. The hardest-working white men that I have ever known toiled on that aircraft carrier. They were greasy and so tired that they would sleep on the flight deck (the outermost deck that is made of steel). I have photographs of them in a "cruise book." Crewmen had little time to indulge in the pursuit of "racial tensions" or similar arbitrary behavior. Many crewnen worked 12 hours or more each day. Each crewman was assigned to a single duty station. They didn't roam about from space to space griping like civilians do. Any time that a sailor is not at his duty station when he is supposed to be there, he is AWOL (absent without leave) and may be charged with being AWOL, which is a violation of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Hard work blunted the appearance of much "racial tension" aboard the USS Forrestal (CVA-59 when I was a member of her crew. GhostofSuperslum 17:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see your point. But Zumwalt himself believed there were racial tensions (the Z-gram lays this out), and acted accordingly. PRRfan 18:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Sailors onboard the USS Forrestal did not form racial groups and engage in confrontations with members of other racial groups. Some individuals were adventurous sorts, but that is true everyplace on earth. "Racial tensions" did not reach a feverish level like the article suggests. Various people spoke on common subjects such as baseball, football, and whether or not to become a "lifer" (career man). Being or not being a "lifer" was probably the commonest topic of conversation outside of the development of one's work skills, the safety (from a shipboard fire) of the ship, the food being served that day, and the proficiency of the ship. I disagree with the inclusion of the phrase "racial tensions" in the article. It suggests that people were aboil with hatreds, but there was not much squabbling taking place. A lot of work is involved in fueling, arming, maintaining, and supporting about 60 aircraft onboard a Navy aircraft carrier. Life goes on. I am exiting this talk page forever. GhostofSuperslum 19:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family section possible error.

In the family section it states that ADM Zumwalt's great grandson is a naval academy graduate and is in training to become an EOD expert. The great grandson I know training for EOD graduated from Tulane University and not USNA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.201.23.10 (talk) 14:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Youngest Admiral

The article correctly states that Zumwalt was the youngest CNO. Some sources claim that he was the youngest ever promoted to rear admiral at 44 but in fact The youngest US rear admiral was Harold B. "Min" Miller, who became Nimitz's public relations officer. He was promoted in 1945 at the age of 42. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.223.6.208 (talk) 16:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)