User talk:Ellol/Archive

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[edit] Vladimir Putin

Thanks, for your message. Reading the press can really upset anyone, it is always far from neutral.
They sometimes make some valid point but there is a whole bunch of opinionated rubbish around that, but backing that point alone is impossible without bringing the rest of the propaganda with it. I guess you were right objecting my post.Gnomz007 21:07, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Online News

Thanks for links, I've read those a lot before, actually I've got an RSS feed both from yandex and yahoo, a really nice feature in Firefox browser. Anyway I'm not much into political articles.Gnomz007

[edit] Russian joke

Sory, I removed your joke about Putin. There is not much sense in adding current political jokes to the article, unless they something about the character of Russian humour. The latter is the purpose of the article, rather than to put together a bunch of jokes originated in Russia. Your joke speaks more about Putin than about Russian notion of humour. You may try to add it to the "humor" section in the Vladimir Putin article, commenting on the reason and the origin of the joke. Thank you. Mikkalai 23:39, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander Gromov

Hi. I think your edits have made the article clearer. When I get a minute I'll take a look through and try and work on the language a bit more - the meaning is there, but its not particularly clear. Is moron a direct translation of oakcephals ?? It seems a strange word to use - in British-English moron is an alternative to idiot. Kcordina 09:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

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Again, welcome! abakharev 07:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's comments

If you're questioning the accuracy of the claim, well most English media say that he has asked for Israel to be "wiped off the map". You can find sources and other information in the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel article (or use its talk page for more questions). You can see my translation of the statement here. But first take a close look at WP:V. Based on that, you can't really use my translation. In any case take a look at these statements and let me know if I can help you in any other way. Aucaman^Talk 12:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

This is the online dictionary I use. This is the statement in Persian (copy-pasting from Ahmadinejad's website - remember that you read from right to left):

ترديدي وجود ندارد كه موج جديدي كه در فلسطين به راه افتاده است و موج معنويت و بيداري در دنيا اسلام ، بزودي اين لكه ننگ ( اسراييل ) را از دامان دنياي اسلام پاك خواهد كرد

The translation I gave you is very literal.

I have to say, Iranians saying "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" is by no means "news". When I was in Iran (7 years ago), we were supposed to recite these every day in school. I have no reason to believe it has changed.

On verifiability, as far as Wikipedia is concerned you can quote news agencies and assume their claims to be true unless some other source contradicts it. If you want to be careful, you can say "According to X, ...." As for Ahmadinejad's statement, there's no question that Iranians want an end to Israel. The question is whether or not Iranians want to wipe off Israel using a military force. The best solution in such cases is to include all sides of the argument and let the reader decide what's right and wrong. Aucaman^Talk 01:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

ت ر د ي د ي _ و ج و د _ ن د ا ر د _ ك ه _ م و ج _ ج د ي د ي _ ك ه _ د ر _ ف ل س ط ي ن _ ب ه _ ر ا ه _ ا ف ت ا د ه _ ا س ت _ و _ م و ج _ م ع ن و ي ت _ و _ ب ي د ا ر ي _ د ر _ د ن ي ا _ ا س ل ا م _ ، _ ب ز و د ي _ ا ي ن _ ل ك ه _ ن ن گ _ ( _ ا س ر ا ي ي ل _ ) _ ر ا _ ا ز _ د ا م ا ن _ د ن ي ا ي _ ا س ل ا م _ پ ا ك _ خ و ا ه د _ ك ر د

Well maybe in about a month I give you a word-to-word translation. Right now I'm really busy. I also agree that it's mostly ultrapatriotic nonsense, and most people think about it that way. But there are a few who actually believe in what they say and are almost willing to die for it. Aucaman^Talk 20:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

ک is usually where ";" is - two keys to the left of ENTER. As for other stuff, at some point one has to stop worrying about others and do his/her share of humanity. Some people have this tendency to always focus on "others" instead of looking at ways to improve their own situation. We all do it. Aucaman^Talk 08:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

به راه افتاده است means "to start" - literally it means "to put to road", but it means to start.

موج معنويت و بيداري در دنيا اسلام means "the wave of spirituality and awakening in the Islamic World"

بزودي اين لكه ننگ ( اسراييل ) را "soon this disgraceful blot (Israel)"

از دامان دنياي اسلام پاك خواهد كرد "from the skirt of the Islamic World will clean off" (instead of دامان you might want to try دامن - it's the same word written differently)

I hope this helps. Aucaman^Talk 20:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ziemkiewicz

Privet, I noticed your comment at talk page of the article on Rafał Ziemkiewicz. I read all of his books and will try to elaborate on that as soon as I have time. Just be so kind as to remind me of it on my talk page in a day or two, ok? BTW, I'm pretty sure some of his works must've been published in Russian. For sure his works were translated to Czech, Slovak and Lithuanian. //Halibu tt 17:50, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Block

And what would stop you from editing as an anon? Be strong, friend, and learn self-discipline. If it helps, I find that I learn a lot for my exams when I write about issues related to them on Wikipeida. Perhaps it would be good for you if for the next month you edit solely the areas related to the subjects you are now studying?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

All right, take care. When you are back, I'd be happy to help you with Russian science fiction; I also want to write Polish science fiction and Polish fantasy articles myself one of these days :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English

With the utmost respect, your command of English, while clearly impressive, is not strong enough for you to be editing articles in that language. Your revisions to the Putin article are a case in point. Virtually every one of them inserts grammatical errors (e.g. in a recent edit you turned "cast doubt" into "casted doubt").

This message was left by user Reallanguagehat^(Talk). -- ellol 06:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] From Beyond

Hi Ellol,

I see you've read From Beyond (the Strugatsky novella). I'd write an article on it, because I've just read it in Hungarian, however, my version (e-text) doesn't have the Russian title and I'm not at home (and will not be for another month or so) so I can't check the original print version of the compilation it was published in. So before I make the article, I just want to make sure I'm doing the right one. It's about a guy who gets abducted by aliens, written from 3 different perspectives, right? prezzey 01:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm that sounds pretty cool. Ive only followed ur page because u have visited Vladimir Putin article and gave comments there. Thought may be the dude obduced was Putin and the aliens were FSB :) - .

No :) it was written decades and decades ago. In general, Strugatsky are the best interesting of Russian sci-fi at all. Alas translations of their books into english are pretty weak. ellol 23:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ellol, I looked this fragment from Strugatsky. I like science fiction. But this is really not a science fiction. This is depressing. No fun. Fortunately, I am in a very different place at the moment.Biophys 04:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Human rights in Russia

Please come back to Human rights in Russia article and engage in discussion again, since I has uncovered false facts submitted into Article by Biophys. Vlad fedorov 09:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ellol please endorse my request for comment on Biophys

Hi Ellol, considering that now Biophys pursues me personally on Freedom House article, I have decided to file request for him. Please sign my statement of dispute there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biophys. Thanks.Vlad fedorov 19:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protest

There is no guarantee that any resolution (accepted well after the culmination of the rally) represents all the opinions well, so it is perfectly fine to have slogans summarized. Besides, the resolution certainly goes against Putin and Matviyenko's policies (e.g. the legislation on governors has been proposed and signed by Putin, Matviyenko has been proposed by Putin etc), so there were no inaccuracy in The Washington Post. As to the protest "against antination policy of authorities", it was about the march in Moscow. If you strive for accuracy, why have you inserted this?

BTW, as to (Russian), they distort layout awfully and appear somewhere in the middle of the article if the window is not fully open. Colchicum 00:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Have your say at RfD of "Internet troll squads" - a masterpiece by Biophys

Hello, have your say at this attack page created by Biophys there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Internet_troll_squads. See the article, if you haven't seen it Internet troll squads. Pay your attention on this edit by Biophys edit.Vlad fedorov 18:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ellol, I thought you might be intrested in what's going on there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_March_26#Internet_troll_squads. Vlad fedorov 04:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed

Could you comment on Biophys revert warring on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_editing_and_possible_wikistalking? Your help would be appreciated. Vlad fedorov 08:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Threats?

Hi Ellol. Some of your comments have been reported to the Administrator's noticeboard. Please could you tell me what the following means:

Пацанские распальцовки на стрелках -- всё-таки цивилизованнее, чем заточка в бок

Is "it is better to come to an agreement than to be killed by a knife" an accurate translation of this?

And

Западло не отвечать за базар

Does that mean "someone must be punished for making too much noise"?

Please respond or I will be forced to assume that these translations are exactly correct. Thanks. If you have any questions, please visit my talk page. Neil ╦ 17:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I have to insist that you limit your comments on talk pages on the english Wikipedia which involve any other editors to english moving forward in order to avoid the sort of issues being discussed there. FeloniousMonk 17:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, but please be more careful in future, and it would be a courtesy if you didn't communicate anything significant in russian without including a translation. Thanks! Neil ╦ 22:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I second this request. --Ghirla^-трёп- 10:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

And telling Biophys "Oh, fuck off" on my user page isn't helping. Even if it was a bit funny, I have to say any more incivility on this matter and I will probably block you. Neil ╦ 17:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] minor edits

You mark almost all your edits as minor, which is not true. I guess this has been done automatically, so could you please switch this mode off? Colchicum 10:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

It's good to be back. Good to be back. (Scooter song) Vlad fedorov 03:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Putin article & media freedom

While I disagree with having a very large section discussing media freedom in Putin's article, removing it completely also seems to be inappropriate. A brief mention with a link to the larger article seems to be the best course. Please discuss your removal of the entire section in the article's Talk page as I do not see the consensus there to which you appear to be referring in your edit summaries. --ElKevbo 19:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Freedom House report

Hi, I'm sorry, I'm busy right now but I'll give it a look and will get back to you later. I only wanted to let you know that I appreciate your friendly note. I'm sure we have different perspectives on the issue but I believe we will be able to work it out. In the meantime, can you please try not to "bulk revert" my edits, only these parts that you disagree with. Bulk reverts are often understood as an invitation to a revert war, as I'm sure you know. Thanks & peace. --Lysy^talk 13:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I've read Kuznetsov's article (hey, I can read Russian :-) ) and while he may be right, his criticism does not seem to be important or notable enough to be so prominently described in the encyclopedia article. I think it can be mentioned but should be shortened and moved to the footnotes. --Lysy^talk 18:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's good to mention Kuznetsov's commentary, as it represents critical approach to the report, but there's no point in discussing this in detail, as his criticism is quite shallow and not notable to be so prominently analysed in the encyclopaedia article. This is regardless if he is right or wrong. I suggest to take this discussion to the article's talk page. --Lysy^talk 15:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Boris Stomakhin

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Boris Stomakhin. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Boris Stomakhin/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Boris Stomakhin/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 15:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)