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[edit] Notable players

I was thinking that the notable players section should only include players who has spent the majority of their career playing in Elitserien. Otherwise the section will sooner or later be filled with Forsbergs, Zetterbergs and Lundqvists (ie: career NHLers). --Krm500 09:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I looked at how the Notable players section on the NHL article was witten and it included the best scoring players from the past season. It also lists "legends" in NHL, so to speak, and I believe that would be appropriate for this article aswell. If a Swedish player played four, five seasons in Elitserien and then moved on to NHL and succeeded over there I think it could be noted also. But, I also agree with you that the "legends of Elitserien" should make up most of the Notable players section. --claes 09:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Access dates

^ Kap 1 ALLMÄNNA BESTÄMMELSER (Swedish). Swedish Ice Hockey Association. Retrieved on 2007-03-17.
^ De längsta matcherna genom tiderna (Swedish). Swedish Ice Hockey Association. Retrieved on 2007-03-17.

Both instances of 2007-03-17 are obviously typos, but I don't know for sure wether it's supposed to be 02-17 or 03-07, so I can't correct it myself. --x-Flare-x{Talk) 09:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I added them yesterday. I've corrected the date in the article. --claes 09:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winners before 1976

I don't think winners before 1976 fit in on this page. It's more interesting with previous regular season winners and the older winners may jump to Swedish ice hockey champions or something like that (see Swedish football champions for example) // SMARTSKAFT | ¿ 22:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know the top division of Swedish hockey has always been known as Elitserien. Maybe rename the section to Swedish Champions instead? --Krm500 10:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's not the case; the Swedish top division has been named "Klass I", "Elitserien", "Svenska Serien", "Division 1 Norra" and "Division 1 Södra" (two top divisions), and, from 1975/76 onwards, once again "Elitserien".
The vintage "Elitserien" from 1927-28 to 1932-33 was a series of four, six, seven and eight teams but only existed for six seasons. Perhaps it should have a reference added to the history section (and maybe a link to a stub for it). But then the other top divisions should have references in the article of the current. --Bamsefar75 17:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I've thought about expanding the history section of this article further (akin to NHL#History) but I haven't got around to it yet. If you have the time, energy and will to do so, then please do. I think the vintage "Elitserien" (and all other names of the top division(s)) is too insignificant to have an own article on the English language Wikipedia. --x-Flare-x{Talk) 10:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Smartskaft that the Swedish Ice Hockey Championships ("Svenska mästerskapen i ishockey", see Nu börjar jakten på Le Mat) should have its own article. For example, the quote below (taken from this article) is only true if you count Championships since Elitserien was formed, but that doesn't make much sense to me, because an "SM-guld" claimed prior to the 1975/76 season is worth just as much as one claimed after. Djurgårdens IF are (wether we like it or not) "Mesta mästarna", with 14 titles.
Färjestads BK are the most successful team with seven Swedish Championships, called SM-guld in Swedish. The next most successful team is Djurgårdens IF with six SM-guld.
-- x-Flare-x{Talk) 12:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I think the sentences could be changed to include what you have written here, i.e. adding a sentence to the above that it only is in regard of Elitserien since 1976, and then add a section about Djurgården having the most SM-guld counting from the 1920s. --claes 13:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I added info about number of SM-guld since 1922 also. What do you think? Is it less npov now? --claes 08:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, now it gives fair balance to both points of view (ie. it is more neutral point of view ;-) ). Great! (I removed the POV tag)
(By the way, I realize I was wrong about Djurgården's Championship count (I wrote 14 instead of 16); in fact I didn't even bother counting them but took the first figure that came to mind). --x-Flare-x{Talk) 10:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Task Force

Since we are a whole bunch of swedes who edits hockey articles related to sweden - how about starting a Task Force within the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey or the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sweden? --Krm500 21:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Why not? Maybe we can include more aspects of sport in Sweden than ice hockey? // SMARTSKAFT | ¿ 14:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
No, it doesn't have to be limited to hockey. There has been a large improvment in the swedish ice hockey related articles. And there is a group of editors that constantly improve these articles. I was just thinking that it would be a good idea to have a "forum" for discussions and to being able to collaborate. But it doesn't have to be limited to hockey. --Krm500 22:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds very good. --claes 06:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I did not understand the "task force" concept but I guess it could be compared to the Nordic military history Task Force of the Military history WikiProject. Given the limited number of comments here, perhaps it would also benefit from a larger scope, such as Nordic or even European. On the other hand, European ice hockey could be too large for simply a task force considering teams like Amur Khabarovsk on the other side of asia in the Russian league. --Bamsefar75 11:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to proceed with this idea but I'll post a question on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sweden. I think that it's important that we get this started as soon as possible. --Krm500 23:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

In the meantime, perhaps some Topic Co-ordination method and the Todo Template could be used to make an overview of the article progress on current teams, historically significant teams, famous players, well-known venues, and so on. I haven't done such a thing before but sounds simple enough to maintain. --Bamsefar75 23:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I totally forgot about this. I guess we could just start up a talk page on WP:HOCKEY where we can co-ordinate our effort in improving Swedish hockey related articles. --Krm500 23:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps, but is there any other talk-only subpages at WT:HOCKEY except archives? I get a bit anxoius since there aren't really an example of that fashion. The WP:HOCKEY activity appears to be very much about on North America (besides some concerns about article formatting in general from time to time), but seems to co-ordinate directly under the project itself, without the need of NHL, AHL, USA, Canada talk-subpages. I think the idea is to make a reference from each article talkpage to a central article talkpage, not to a WikiProject talkpage. If coordination is to be made inside the WikiProject, then it should be a Task Force, no doubt. But there are not any taskforces on WP:HOCKEY (yet), which I take as a hint to lowering the aim a bit. I feel this Elitserien talk page is as central as it gets (more Sweden-talk than on WT:HOCKEY isnt it?), coordination could be done here. Might make a list of the 12 current teams and their status, add a reference box to each team's talk page, and update as the articles grow. They're all assesed so far. I could be wrong also, since I'm still only familiar with how WP:HOCKEY works and make no comparisions to other WP's. Task forces could be more powerful than they seem to me. --Bamsefar75 00:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Well the idea is to have a place to talk and coordinate our efforts, using this talk page for exmaple might not be such a good idea. It will just clutter up this talk page. WP:HOCKEY doesn't have any task force yet but if I recall correctly there's a bunch of task forces at WP:SOCCER. --Krm500 00:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I just checked out WP:SOCCER and they have a bunch of task forces, even for individual teams, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Munich/Task Force/FC Bayern Munich. I'll but up a request to start a task force within WP:HOCKEY, I don't think anyone will mind. --Krm500 00:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sweden task force is now started. Please add yourself to the participants list and give some suggestions on the talk page about what we can do. --Krm500 23:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Brynasif.gif

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I've added a fair use rationale to this image, and also to Image:Luleahf.gif and Image:SkellefteaAIK.gif. Also to the other images on this page that I have uploaded myself. --Bamsefar75 10:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Seems Image:Brynasif.gif is gone now anyway. Does it make sens uploading it again? --Bamsefar75 12:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, upload it again. If I understand correctly you are allowed to use logos on Wikipedia according to the template Template:Non-free logo. The bot doesn't seem to understand that. --claes 13:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
As I have understood it, logos are only allowed if the article is about the company using the logo for example. In this case, the Elitserien logo is the only acceptable in the Elitserien article. // SMARTSKAFT | ¿ 15:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Since the same image is used on Brynäs IF but now deleted, my guess is that the bot added the image to an automatic process queue for deletion somewhere (speedy?) which did not check if the description page was changed. I'll upload the logo again soon, with similar rationale, unless someone else beats me to it. :) --Bamsefar75 16:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logotypes under the new policy

I haven't checked the details about policy and its dates, but my guess is that there are fair use rationale problems with images on Djurgårdens IF, Frölunda HC, MODO Hockey and Mora IK (and the ones here which are not always the same) similar to the Image:Brynasif.gif image (above). (I've added a rationale to the other 8 team logos) --Bamsefar75 19:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Vastrafrolundahc.gif

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[edit] Globen or Hovet

I recall that Djurgården will be playing the majority of their home games at Hovet next season. Hovet will be their official home arena and Globen will only be used occasionally. Isn't it better to list Hovet as their home arena in the list? --Krm500 00:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I updated this article, Djurgårdens IF Hockey and Template:Swedish Elite League Arenas accordingly. Thanks for catching it. -- Jao 08:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I should have paid attention to see that there was a capacity figure. Thanks for catching that too. -- Jao 14:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
More changes made. Yesterday I updated Stockholm Globe Arena which still said it was the home arena, updated the capacity on Hovet / Elitserien, and added the (Arenas) template to Hovet. Globe Arena should remain in the template, to be (mutually) removed after next season unless Djurgården change their plans. --Bamsefar75 15:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template changes

Template:Swedish Elite League Arenas has been combined into Template:Swedish Elite League, converted to navbox format, and expanded. Template:Allsvenskan (ice hockey) has been converted to navbox format, and expanded. Flibirigit 05:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)