Talk:Eliseo Soriano

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I added the fact of nuissance candidate declaration by comelec. I also added the rape case.

--Florentino floro 12:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

add rape case.

--Florentino floro 12:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

i deleted those articles coz i find it not necessary to be posted here @wiki...

Contents 1 One category of Legal and Court Cases 2 Nuisance candidate 3 Controversial 4 Criticisms 5 Bro. Eli, A phenomena 6 My Recent Reverts

[edit] One category of Legal and Court Cases

The nuissance candidate issue and rape issue being charged of Eliseo Soriano was trimmed down into one category: Legal and Court Cases. This aspect still needs to be cleaned to reach the standards of an encyclopedia. --Julianmakabayan 00:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Indeed they need to be to encyclopedic standard. They are now, because I have fixed them. Please do not make edits which remove pertinent information and/or add contentious information, with the edit summary "Formatting and clean edit to reflect encyclopedic style of Wikipedia.)". I removed your addition alleging Veridiano has been accused of sexual molestation and assault of teenagers. We would need to be able to cite police/court sources to justify such an allegation, and certainly not the say so of a lawyer representing the person accused of raping Veridiano. I have also altered the flow of the article. The section dealing with awards/recognitions needs to be lower where I have put it. Also, it contains many entries which hardly seem to merit inclusion in an encyclopedia. Also, most entries are unsourced. Would you like to trim that list? Moriori 22:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nuisance candidate

I removed the most recent addition which partly stated "Comelec said Soriano does not have the capability to launch a nationwide campaign". According to the official Comelec report, Soriano and others were declared nuisance/disqualified "for the reasons that they cannot wage a national campaign, and/or are not nominated by a political party or are not supported by a registered political party with a national constituency". The addition to the article gave (unsourced) comment on a selective part of the reason/s for disqualification. Not very encyclopedic. Moriori 02:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The source of the comment was there all along, you just did not read through it. Read it again, please: OMNIBUS RESOLUTION No. 6604 Click and read the sentence below disqualified candidate number 39.

Here's the whole sentence:

Prescinding therefrom, the Commission, after carefully evaluating the pleadings including documentary evidence thereof, submitted in connection with the disqualification of the mentioned candidates, RESOLVED as it hereby RESOLVES to DENY the motios for reconsideration and to AFFIRM COMELEC Resolution No. 6558 disqualifying the following candidates: --- 'list of disqualified candidates here' -- for the reasons that they cannot wage a national campaign, and/or are not nominated by a political party or are not supported by a registered political party with a national constituency.

signed: --Journeyist 05:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversial

Please do not remove the word controversial. My dictionary defines controversial as giving rise or likely to give rise to public disagreement -- contentious, disputed, at issue, disputable, debatable, arguable, vexed, tendentious. The article clearly states he criticises various other religious groups for their doctrines and practices, that he faces charges for rape, that he was declared a nuisance senatorial candidate and was disqualified from an election. That makes him controversial, by any definition. Incidentally, isn't it "coincidental" that after Wikipedia used his own website as a source for "controversial", the word was removed from his website. Moriori 21:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, in the very first paragraph of its OMNIBUS RESOLUTION No. 6604, Comelec stated the following -- "Once again, the noble right of suffrage is used as cloak to serve the caprices of a few who want to mock our democratic processes as the May 10, 2004 Naitonal and Local Elections approacehs. This Commission will never be an instrument to such inclinations since it is duty-bound to uphold the time-honored principle of vox populi, vox dei. " Any capricious person who wants to mock the democratic process of the country is controversial. Moriori 03:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the same Comelec who declared Bro. Soriano to be a "nuisance" candidate and a "capricious" person is itself (by Moriori's standards) even more controversial because it is universally hated in the Philippines for being the institution that made possible the Hello Garci Election Scandal. Moriori, you clearly must conduct a deeper study of Philippine society and Philippine government before drawing conclusions from superficial facts you happen to find on establishment websites. Our Comelec is not the same respectable electoral institution you may have in your country. Your political leaders do not count on political support from shrewd religious leaders such as those in our country whom Bro. Soriano stand against. Moriori, you do not know the political cost of speaking the biblical truth in the Philippines. We are a marginalized religious minority with powerful enemies in the Philippine media, government and established religion. I hope you will be little more objective. Journeyist 04:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms

i deleted the first paragraph, because those statements are baseless and inaccurate. Mr. Soriano's manner of preaching is not 'often' a target of criticism. In fact, he has received numerous citations and recognitions coming from different award giving bodies --- all of which came from groups with different religious denominations (see the awards and recognitions section). He is also not 'fond' of attacking his 'religious opponent'. One who religiously tunes in to his broadcasts on TV and radio, will 'realize' that Mr. Soriano is just prompted to answer all those who ask questions to him regarding salvation, the bible, God, etc. For one who is teaching the truth to be reliable and accurate must always also point out the false. This is not 'attacking' in its real essence. Mickey0000 03:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bro. Eli, A phenomena

There is no doubt, and I confirm that Bro. Eli has no duplicate in the entire world, even in Ateneo EAPI. I studied pre-divinity at the Ateneo, 1972, where I met the best of Catholic Philippinea most powerful priests and foreign Ph.D.s, like my classmate Fr. Archie Intengan, S.J. But I never found any foreign doctors who could match Eli's phenomena.

Bro. Eli is a phenomena as far as BIBLE memorization or citing is concerned, he is a dictionary.

However, I find his biting and negativism vs other sects diminishing his positive gains.

Maybe it is due to his emotional setting.

--Florentino floro 08:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Recent Reverts

I am not trying to start an edit war but I have been reverting some edits which are POV and which are also rather poor English. I don't think the author is editing in bad faith but it is clear that different people have different views and it is hard to be impartial. Soriano is a controvercial figure and we should not take sides in his arguments. Perhaps the wording is a bit harsh in places but we can't have a whitewash either. We need to avoid anecodotal claims and counter-claims. If there is no supporting references then it is better to remove them completely. If there are references for both views then both can be included.

I would also like to explain why "Rape case" is the correct title for the section and "Alleged rape case" is wrong. The rape is an allegation because we don't know if that really happened but the case itself is real not alleged. To say "alleged rape case" is to say that it is disputed whether there is/was a court case. I know this is a bit subtle but the title as it is does not imply his guilt and should stay as it is. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. An edit war it seems to be. Please can somebody else jump in and try to break the deadlock here? --DanielRigal (talk) 15:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)