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This article was nominated for deletion on April 15, 2005. The result of the discussion was delete.

This article was nominated for deletion on July 28, 2005. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

This article was nominated for deletion on September 13, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on May 28, 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Contents 1 Comixpedia 2 About previous deletions 3 What Happened? 4 Why is there no discussion of the "current" deletion request? 5 Out of date

[edit] Comixpedia

A version of this article is also maintained on Comixpedia:

comixpedia:Elf Only Inn

Significant updates should be made there as well. Abe Dashiell 14:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About previous deletions

Entries for Elf Only Inn have been removed from Wikipedia, but hopefully this one will stay. The older entries were, to be frank, rather lacking in substance and quality, so I've put some effort into making this one worthwhile. I think it deserves a place in Wikipedia, in any case. It was a very popular comic when it was active and also meets the requirements for inclusion in the List of web comics.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adashiel (talk • contribs) .

Your effort is really appreciated, but you must provide a proof that it was notable. Message boards and chat rooms are not proof. Any critical reviews in paper? mikka (t) 20:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC

Who says it needs to be notable? I see nothing in the rules for deletion that calls for nazis such as yourself to delete other people's work if the subject hasn't been reviewed in a paper. I can even quote the first sentence of the fourth paragraph of the article, "If an article is repeatedly re-created by unassociated editors after being deleted, this may be evidence of a need for an article." I know for a fact I re-created the article and it was deleted, and now it has been recreated again by someone completely different. Can you provide a reason listed on your own deletion policy as to why this shouldn't exist? GTJoe

1. Any encyclopedia's main criterion is notability, i.e., reasons why other people would want to read the article. Unfortunately (or, rather, fortunately) there is no rules cast in stone for this in wikipedia. That's why there is voting, rather than deletion on the spot by some bureaucratic rules. Wikipedia is neither bureaucracy, nor democracy. Wikipedia is also not a place for establishing notability.
2. Wikipedia has no means for peer review of the information in the article. Therefore in most cases references from reputable sources are requied.
3. "Someone completely different": the rest of us has no reasons to take this for a fact. Nothing personal; sock puppetry is a plague here, unfortunately.
4. Deletion policy describes "how" to delete, but "why" is up to voting.
5. "Who says it needs to be notable?": Like I said, notability is the very basic concept of encyclopedia, mentioned in several places. For example, Wikipedia:Vanity page says: "Articles on very little-known subjects are often of debatable value for our readers, so if you write a new article on one it is particularly important to express the facts in a neutral way and establish as much notability as possible."
6. "Nazis": I understand your desire to express your frustration, but in future no personal attacks, please.

mikka (t) 19:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd think the virtually limitless space available for articles on Wikipedia would allow for even the most obscure topics to remain unmolested. If an article is even important to one person then I see no reason why it would require eradication. That seems no better than censorship to me; a few people deciding what is appropriate for the rest of us to read. You can think however you wish, but if this article winds up deleted because a few outspoken persons didn't care about it, I'll have no faith left in a wiki-controlled encyclopedia. GTJoe

Obscurity is not equal to nonnotability. Do you want an article about the length of my moustache? (The topic is important to at least 6 persons. And of course, it is a joke, to illustrate the point.)

"Censorship": you may read whatever you want. You may even read your famous comic. It is still stored where it belongs. It even may achieve a post-mortem glory. It this case it will be welcome here. There is no conspiracy in wikipedia to sink comics into an oblivion: unlike nazism, communism, islam, etc., this is not a matter of heated emotions. Some things are simply nonnotable (unless proven otherwise).

So far you failed to address two basic issues: notability and reputable external source. In the future I will only discuss these. Rather than whinning about this wikipedia cabal, please try and find at least one review of the comic (in a reputable source; chat rooms, message boards don't count), and I will be the second one to vote for undeletion. mikka (t) 20:37, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

External Sources:

• 2004 Comic Awards (note the Outstanding Story Concept: Winner!) [1]
• 2003 Comic Awards (Outstanding Newcomer Finalists: Runner Up) [2]
• Overcaffenated.net [3]
• Penny Arcade [4]
• The Crossover [5]
• The Webcomic List [6]
• Enter the Dream [7]
• Others:[8][9][10][11]
• And for Mikkalai: [12]

I'd also like to point out that there are many more less notable webcomics never even nominated for a Webcomic Award listed on Wikipedia's List of Webcomics. I fail to see why this comic in particular is being singled out while the others remain.

GTJoe (t) 21:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

It's regrettable this discussion dipped into the personal. I'm the one responsible for recreating the article after it was last deleted and I also created the original post within this talk section. I didn't further participate in the VfD discussion, either on the deletion page itself or here. In any case, I am not Josh Sortelli, nor am I in any way affiliated with him. Adashiel 14:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What Happened?

I miss EOI, and I wonder if Josh will ever get back to writing it. What's up with all the votes for deletion up top? Can someone delete that mess? This comic was more popular than a lot of prime time TV series ever were.. Jettoki 11:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• The notes at the top are just records of previous deletion nominations. They are not current. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 12:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why is there no discussion of the "current" deletion request?

Seems to me this comic meets WP:WEB's own criteria for notability, in that it's won meaningful awards. Perhaps SushiGeek could enlighten us as to why this doesn't count? Or are we just deleting webcomic entries to be spiteful now? Khaighle 17:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• The discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elf Only Inn 4. I'm not sure why SushiGeek chose to nominate this article again, but I doubt there was anything nefarious about his reasoning. I haven't interacted with him much, but he seems to be a good contributor. It doesn't matter much, in any case. On an AfD it's best just to state your position and be done with it. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 17:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I seem to be, and I'm an admin. It fails the Alexa test. Simple as that. SushiGeek 19:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

If you're using the Alexa Test as the sole arbiter of notability, you're not a very good admin. -RannXXV 16:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Folks, we're venturing into WP:NPA. I know feelings run high over deletion nominations, but there's really no point discussing this further. –Abe Dashiell ^(t/c) 17:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Alrighty then. Won't encroach your territory again! (Oh, and it gets only 16,400 hits on Google.) SushiGeek 16:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Out of date

Elfonlyinn has restarted in a World of Warcraft setting... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.241.198.116 (talk) 21:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)