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Contents 1 Electronics Engineering/Electronic Engineering 2 Page creation 3 Duplication of material 4 Clean up 5 Electrical engineering talk 6 Assorted Points

[edit] Electronics Engineering/Electronic Engineering

Is there a good argument for using the former? I am a degree-qualified electronic engineer & a member of the IEE. Neither I nor my colleagues ever use the plural. Furthermore, every job advert I've looked at uses electronic engineer (singular). This is a UK perspective - which term is used in the rest of the world? It would be nice to standardise the term used in this article (and obviously I'd prefer the singular!)

82.3.94.100 17:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Pasted from defunct talk:electronics engineering page

also the line in the first paragraph: "Its practitioners are called electronics engineers in Europe." I am a European, i got my degree in electronic engineering in Europe, i work as an electronic engineer in Europe, my job description has been electronic engineer and I have never, never heard anyone refer to it as electronics engineering or have been referred to as an electronics engineer. Because of this, i am removing the sentence (87.232.42.93 11:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Page creation

Electronics [1]

Basic page put back together. Still needs more work before deleting duplicated items from electrical engineering page.--Light current 16:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Could have been left as a subfield from electrical engineering - but there's half a million extra articles in Wikipedia. --Wtshymanski 23:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I dont get your meaning about the half million extra articles. Care to explain that one?--Light current 16:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Electronics engineering is definitely a separate discipline from electrical engineering. SEE Talk:electrical engineering--Light current 23:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

They are completely different: electric engineers use voltage and current mainly to bring power, while electronic enginners use them to bring information. An electric train is projected by an electric engineer, a mobile phone by an electronic one. In several universities they are two different courses. Alessio Damato 13:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Please add your vote on Talk:electrical engineering Thank you!--Light current 19:41, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Duplication of material

Most of the material on this page is duplicated from the current version of electrical engineering. Why are there two pages, instead of the original redirect to electrical engineering, or the renaming of electrical engineering to "electrical and electronics engineering" proposed in the debate on talk:electrical engineering?

Duplication of information is a Bad Thing, because it's next to impossible to keep both pages synchronized. --Christopher Thomas 02:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside of America there is a huge distinction between Electronic Engineering and Electrical engineering. For most people, finding information about electronic engineering under the page 'Electrical Engineering'. There should be two different pages for these two unique topics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.70.29.128 (talk • contribs) on 22:32, 15 February 2006.

I have to disagree with you substantialy on Electical/Electronic.

Electrical Engineering and Electronical Engineering are considered different fields, especialy outside the US. Electronics is substantialy well defined to need its own wikipedia article. Standard practice would seem to me to sumarize Electronics in Electrical, but to address it in a seperate article.

As far as I can see, the Electronics article is not just a duplication of information on the electrical page. --Barberio 05:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside of America there is a huge distinction between Electronic Engineering and Electrical engineering. For most people, finding information about electronic engineering under the page 'Electrical Engineering'. There should be two different pages for these two unique topics. To prevent the duplication you have a problem with simply move it to the correct page.

Is this page not incorrectly titled? I have a degree in 'Electronic Engineering' I have never heard of 'Electronics Engineering' as much as I have never heard of Chemicals Engineering or Electricals Engineering.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.70.29.128 (talk • contribs) on 22:32, 15 February 2006.

You appear to be correct 83.70.29.128 in that the subject is called Electronic engineering ( or sometimes Electronics )--Light current 06:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Article and talk Content moved from Electronics engineering to here and REDIRECT place at Electronics Eng.

Please dont forget to vote on this on talk:electrical engineering--Light current 18:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

I feel this article could really do with improvement. It seems to dart all over the place plus most of its material seems to be a duplication of electrical engineering. Cedars 03:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes well I havent had 3 years yet to faff about with it have I? This will be the main article soon--Light current 03:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Im just wondering if this stuff would be better placed under electronics, leaving the new electrical engineering and electronics engineering pages to concentrate on the professional aspects of these careers a rather than their history. Comments?

--Light current 16:36, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Electrical engineering talk

Hi, please comment at Talk:Electrical engineering about a page move to this project, specifically: Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronics to Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronics and Electrical Engineering. Thanks: --Sadi Carnot 16:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assorted Points

" In 1942, Konrad Zuse presented the Z3, the world's first functional computer."

The prototype of the Atanasoff-Berry Computer computer was successfully demoed in 1939.

"Electronics is often considered to have begun when Lee De Forest invented the vacuum tube in 1907 ."

He didnt, Lee De Forest was the man that introduced the control grid. Diode vacuum tubes came before that.

"These non-integrated circuits consumed much space and power, were prone to failure and were limited in speed although they are still common in simple applications"

The fastest circuitry is still discrete. The relationship between date, speed and level of integration is significantly more complex than the above suggests, and as it stands I think its a bit misleading.

"The invention of the triode amplifier, generator, and detector made audio communication by radio practical."

Again I'd say there was more to the situation, and the above isnt really true.

Practical transmitters could be made without triode (L+C+arc+carbon mic) (preferably + passive resonant filtering)

and ditto crystal receivers, which could drive a loudspeaker using a carbon amplifier or turntable amplifier. Not a triode in sight. (And with a tt amp, no battery either.)

And in fact this was often done, as a way to avoid the high cost of valves/tubes. Its a shame these early sets haven't survived the passing years as well as the early valve sets have. Tabby 08:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)