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[edit] Raymond Watts

Raymond Watts worked on the production of the album Haus Der Lüge, alongside Gareth Jones. [1]Tonylamaboots 07:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

He was also their live engineer for a while and recorded some demos with them around the 'Richterskala' period. And has his own 'Pig' project.

[edit] Mufti?

Is Mufti still a member of e.n? I don't think so. Didn't he leave the band a couple of years ago? /Gusman

Mufti is FM Einheit's nickname, and he left the band in 1995, during the recording of Ende Neu. [2]Tonylamaboots 07:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronounciation

The following was left on my (Camembert) user page. I could have a good go at an answer, but wouldn't be entirely confident about it (and wouldn't, in any case, really know how to represent it), so rather than mislead, I thought it better to copy the question here:

Hello. Im only asking you this cause you are one one the only users on the talk page for Einstürzende Neubauten. Without wishing to sound like an ignoramous, I would like to ask how you pronounce this bands name in English as I cant find this information anywhere. Thankyou. Motown Junkie
This might get you pretty close. First word: "Ein" (as in Einstein), "stuerz" (as in Stewart's or Stuart's, pretty close), "ende" (end-ah). Second word: "Neu" (noy as in annoying), "bau" (bow as in nautical terms or taking a bow), "ten" (as in 10). Ein-stewart's-end-ah Noy-bow-ten. Yeah. --Iosif 04:24, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wow, that's awesome! I would've been all IPA, but that doesn't help the normal person anymore than explaining umlauts and diphthongs. Ausgezeichnet! Khirad 18:48, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Problem is with analogies is that they only work with certain accents. Such as 'Stewarts' doesn't work with any British accents. But I suppose they are better than nothing at all.

Eye-n stoortsenduh Noibah-w-ten is probably easier for a British speaker to follow. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.5.223 (talk) 10:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congress Hall an E.N.

I am coming from the german wikiepage on E.N. and they say, the name had already been chosen before the roof of the congress had crushed. So the german Wikipedia states, the crushing of the roof only gave a new refernce to the name. So, who's got the point? - HellRaiser

I think that is addressed in the interview book No Beauty Without Danger (Keine Schoenheit Ohne Gefahr) / Was Ist Moeglich (What is possible). I'll see what I can find. --Iosif 15:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I've changed the offending sentence. See [1] from the official HKW website. They even make mention of Einstürzende Neubauten in the last sentence.--GrafZahl 14:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Side Projects

Shouldn't there be at least a reference to Ammer Einheit? I agree about the genre thing too, but not completely. Saying they are Industrial is like saying Dead Can Dance are goth, but sometimes the genre labels have more to do with the primary audience than music itself. It would be really odd to not say anything about the Industrial label. There are many, many groups that defy classification. I think it is POV to claim that Einstürzende Neubauten is somehow better or more different or more revolutionary than any other band - though I may feel this is mostly true - I will concede my feeling is POV. And for the newcomer, they should at least be told that the band has influenced Industrial bands today. But hey, what about those side projects?! Blixa was awesome in Nick Cave, and Ammer Einhet is, well, like later E.N. especially - essentially indescribable. I hope to one day write an F.M. Einheit article, but I'm sure others could do a better job than I. Khirad 19:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't see how a reference to Ammer Einheit would hurt. Nor do I have a problem saying something like "some people think of E.N. as industrial." However, I think it is ultimately non-POV and doing a better service to accurately describe the fact that E.N. is not easily categorized. --Iosif 15:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

It may not be easily categorized, but it is often categorized as industrial. In fact, if you ask people to name 5 important industrial bands, EN is almost invariably one of them (along with probably Throbbing Gristle and Skinny Puppy). Coil is another hard-to-categorize group that is sometimes called industrial. --Delirium 02:13, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What does the logo mean and where does it come from?

Should be in the article! 68.251.151.247 21:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

If there is a verifiable and reliable source to be cited, yes it should.
—Asatruer 04:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Quote from a Letter from F.M. Einheit as cited in the Band-Guide by Kirsten Borchardt from the german Hannibal-press: "In a book about symbols of stone age we found a sign that stood for the sun and one for a human who radiates energy. The human figure´s head is a simplified version of the sun symbol, which leads to the conlusion, it probably depicts a wizard, medecine man or people with magic powers." Sorry for any translation errors. 195.46.247.152 20:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interim Link Incorrect

The link for the Interim EP leads to a page about a British band called "The Fall"... 206.192.68.118 03:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Einstürzende - verb or adjective

as a native speaker: "einstürzende" can be a verb (present participle) and an adjective. 217.227.182.87 19:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Well since the word has a gender/plural marker(and erm, an adjectival particple and is not parsable as a noun) it can only be an adjective. But it's an adjective related to the verb 'einstuerzen.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.5.223 (talk) 10:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality and Unnecessary info

There's a lot of non-neutral stuff in this article, particularly in the opening paragraphs, I will have a sift through it but obviously if anyone else can help make it neutral than feel free.

Also removing this:

"The title song of Silence is sexy is about tinnitus, a perpetual ringing in one's ears, often caused by exposure to loud noise.."

Found it in the band history section. It doesn't seem particularly relevant and is also unsourced.Liquidcow 10:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Influenced

If you can't cite a source where a band themselves cite EN as an influence, then the band shouldn't be listed in a section labeled "Influenced". I couldn't find an interview where EN were quoted as influences, for example. -- Xinit 00:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on this point. Alex ex 18:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I read somewhere way back Bargeld saying he listened to lots of Kraut rock and Pink Floyd when he was younger. But he's notorious for winding up journalists and even went through a period of recycling Lou Reed interview responses! I think the idea of influences for something so original is a bit irrelevant anyway; not as though there is anything we can point to by way of evolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.252.24 (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Einstürzende Neubauten

Why was this category deleted? There were two major subcategories in it (members and albums) + film "Halber Mensch" + this article + Einstürzende Neubauten logo. Does anybody else miss this category? Alex ex 18:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Language corrections

Band name

I have always been a bit uncomfortable with the translation "new buildings" because it connotes nothing modern in English. As I understand it 'Neubau' is a particular reference to very modern architecture. I'm not clever enough to know what the English equivalent is.

1980 (the beginning)

"a symbol of human with a circle in the head", should that not be 'dot' instead of "circle"? I won't be so pedantic to debate whether it really is a symbol, since I think people can understand what is meant anyway.


"has been placed on almost every one of the band's productions" The word "productions" makes no sense in English, perhaps 'products' is what is meant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.5.223 (talk) 10:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jim Thirlwell / Foetus

Someone should source and mention that EN got their deal with Some Bizarre (a significant step in their career) with great help from Jim Thirlwell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.5.223 (talk) 10:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)