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[edit] Music

Does anyone know the name of the music that is often played in the anime when the God Cards are played?--208.100.234.118 (talk) 04:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ability removal

As of today, the abilities/effects sections of the article have been removed. They continue to cause problems as there is no 100% accuracy in determining the Gods' abilities at all, are not in line with the other Yu-Gi-Oh! card pages, and run against the policies of what Wikipedia is not—a game guide. --Benten 02:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

  • So you think that nothing is better than something? I see no point in arguing, reading this page has led me to believe that there is nothing to be gained by doing that. 124.182.235.200 05:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Effects Redone

I have redone the God Card effects to something much neater and probably more accurate. They are the result of a good deal of research, and are probably the most accurate avaliable. And I've added the Dark God Cards. -Re-fixed the effects. Some grammatical changes were made (more accurate as far as actual cards are worded), and The Devil's Avatar's effect was changed to the one used later in the manga.

-I'm reverting the article to the way it was when I edited it until clarification is given by the one who changed it.

  • What clarification do you want specifically? The current version is just cleaner, more comprehensive, and more accurate than the last; it isn't full of grammatical/linking/formating problems. If you mean the effects of the Wicked Gods, then I already explained in the edit summary that I was keeping their Engrish abilities as they appear in the manga. If you mean Ra's effects, I just reworded it so it didn't sound messy, and clarified on its "Special Summon from the graveyard-God Phoenix" interaction. --Benten 13:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

-Now that I think about it, what you've done is fine. Just tell me why you are keeping it in Engrish and I'll be fine. And I'm still convinced that Ra must me revived to activate his effects. I know you added that note above it, but I think you should also add that his one turn kill ability was also on revival. And shouldn't the effect in his box be the original one? I won't change anything, as I want to hear your argument too. I admit what I did before was stupid (that GX episode was also stupid). I'll leave your edit for now.

  • Sorry 'bout not getting back to you on this sooner. You're correct about Ra's One Turn Kill (just forgot about it, so I'll add a note of it). I'm keeping the abilities of the Wicked Gods in Engrish to be true to their text in the manga. --Benten 18:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

-That's fine. But I think it would make more sense for the original ability of Ra (the one I put up before) to go in the box, with the changes in the GX version noted above (or below for that matter). Mainly because I think that the original should hold higher than GX (check the WDoR article for my source of his effects). But I won't change anything until you tell me what you think. (On a side note, how do you take the Devil's Avatar's effect? Is it always active, or do you think it's more of an activate during your turn ability?)

  • Give me a bit of time to think about the Ra issue (I'm in a hurry at the moment); I'll get back to you on it. Devil's Avatar's effect is always active, as evidenced by Tenma's duel with Kaiba. Even after Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon left the field, Avatar took on Lord of Dragons' ATK+1. --Benten 15:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, here we go.

The old effect that was posted:

The Winged Dragon of Ra’s ATK and DEF are equal to the combined respective ATK and DEF of the monsters Tributed to Summon it. When The Winged Dragon of Ra is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, you may pay all but 1 Life Point to increase The Winged Dragon of Ra’s ATK and DEF by the amount paid, and you may Tribute any number of monsters to further increase the Winged Dragon of Ra’s ATK and DEF by the combined respective ATK and DEF of the monsters Tributed. The Winged Dragon of Ra can attack all monsters on your opponent’s side of the field and your opponent. When The Winged Dragon of Ra is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, you may transform it into its “Phoenix Mode”. In this mode, The Winged Dragon of Ra cannot be destroyed in battle, and any Battle Damage done to its controller is 0. While in this mode, you may pay 1000 Life Points any number of times to allow The Winged Dragon of Ra to destroy monsters on your opponent’s side of the field equal to the lots of 1000 Life Points paid. The Winged Dragon of Ra may attack the turn it is Special Summoned.

The current effect that is posted:

The ATK and DEF of this card are equal to the combined ATK and DEF strengths of the monsters used to Tribute Summon this card. By paying 1000 Life Points, you can destroy 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field. You can pay any amount of Life Points down to 1 to increase the ATK and DEF of this card by the amount paid. When this card attacks after using this effect and destroys a monster on your opponent's side of the field, destroy all monsters on the opponent's field. Tribute a monster on your side of the field to increase the ATK or DEF of this card by the ATK or DEF of the Tributed monster.

Taking this step-by-step:

1) The Tribute Summon portion is identical. I have merely worded it as to not include Ra's name and to include the regular wording that is assigned to cards in print.

2) The ability to pay 1000 Life Points to destroy a monster does not need the "any number of times" point, as like other cards carrying similar effects, as long as there is no indication that the effect can only be used once per turn, it can be repetitively invoked.

3) The "transform into Phoenix Mode" does not apply to the actual effect of the card itself. This is just done for purposes of flavor in the anime/manga. As such, what is really happening here is Ra's 1000 Point monster destruction ability. The subsequent line regarding its non-destruction in battle and reduction of battle damage to 0 is something that I do not recall ever happening in the card's history. It was said that Ra is "invincible" while in Phoenix Mode, but since it was just revived for a turn to destroy 1 monster for 1000 Points, this is another matter of flavor. Alternatively, if you are referencing the instance in which Ra was attacked by Obelisk nearing the end of the Battle City arc, remember that in the anime, Dark Marik used the Class System card to prevent the assault. In the manga, it was somewhat different, but the basic principle is the same.

4) The "Quick Attack" (attacking the turn it is Special Summoned from the graveyard) feature possessed by Ra is only applicable to Battle City rules. It is an ability exclusive to Ra merely in the context of the Battle City arc, and thus can be omitted and noted the way it presently is.

5) Ra never gained both the ATK and DEF strengths of monsters sacrificed to its effect. It only gained one or the other (though the effect was most often employed for its ATK increase).

6) The One Turn Kill ability is not limited to 1 Life Point. Any amount of Life Points may be payed to increase Ra's ATK. It's just, for dramatic effect, those summoning Ra always drop their Points down to 1.

7) The fact that certain effects trigger when Ra is Special Summoned from the graveyard does not need to be specifically part of its text. In the current formatting, the differences between both the original series and GX are covered, and it is less messy as a whole.

8) The "When this card attacks after using this effect and destroys a monster on your opponent's side of the field, destroy all monsters on the opponent's field" part of the effects is missing in the original. In the anime/manga, this effect occurs after the trading in of Life Points to increase Ra's ATK, thus completing the "One Turn Kill" maneuver. For example, when Bakura dueled against Dark Marik, Ra performed the One Turn Kill by gaining further ATK from Marik's Life Points, then attacking one of Bakura's monsters (it does not matter which it attacked, however, as Bakura would have lost enough Points given a single assault on any of his monsters, and all were destroyed by this missing portion of the effect in the end).

Thus, you can see that there are actually very few differences between Ra's incarnations between the two series (they only differ on the God Phoenix and One Turn Kill abilities). In my opinion, it would therefore be best to keep the format as it is for the aforementioned reasons. --Benten 02:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

-Brilliant! How about we take a "best from both sides" ability, that clashes with neither the original nor GX?

The ATK and DEF of this card are equal to the combined ATK and DEF strengths of the monsters used to Tribute Summon this card. By paying 1000 Life Points during your Main Phase, or when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, destroy all monsters on your opponent's side of the field. By paying any amount of Life Points down to 1 during your Main Phase, or when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, increase the ATK and DEF of this card by the amount paid. When this card attacks after using this effect and destroys a monster on your opponent's side of the field, destroy all monsters on your opponent's side of the field. By tributing any number of monsters on your side of the field during your Main Phase, or when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, increase the ATK or DEF of this card by the combined ATK or DEF of the Tributed monsters (you may choose either for each monster tributed). The Winged Dragon of Ra may attack during the turn it is Special Summoned (even if a card effect would prevent it from attacking).

Again, I include the last ability. I am aware of the rules thing obsoleteness, but the Vengeful Bog Spirit was still out in the anime, and for that reason alone, I keep that final ability. And (correct me if I'm wrong, as my knowledge of the manga is very limited), I don't think that the phoenix ability's destroying all monsters contradicts anything that happened in the original. With the new wording, you can activate Ra's revival abilities if you revive him with CotH (albeit for a turn), during your battle phase or opponent's turn, you can still OTK or phoenix them, as in the original. But it is much wordier (but it's necessary by the basic wording of cards these days, and with the entire priority thing). So, what do you think? Again, I'm not changing anything yet, so you won't have to change anything if you don't like it. (On a side note, I'm glad that you don't have a noticeable problem with my heirachy numbers or the (Light)/(Dark) Divine thing. I'm not sure if I entirely like them myself, but they were the best I could come up with. If you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it. Since your knowledge of the YGO R manga is obviously greater than mine (I rely on a (rather) badly translated summary), by all means, tell me if I got that Dark Divine thing all wrong.)

  • The text that you have posted here is okay text-wise, but albeit off. Firstly, the tributing of other monsters to increase Ra's ATK or DEF is not a Graveyard-revival triggering ability. Secondly, the 1000 Point destroy effect is clearly different in both the original series/GX, thus we have to note both (or we would be turning the effect text into a mishmash of the two). For the Quick Attack ability, we have to take into account the fact that Dark Marik never played Vengeful Bog Spirit in the manga, and even in that case, the ultimate purpose of playing it in the first place was to prevent Bakura from attacking with Ra despite its ability (therefore, it would still have to abide by the rules of Bog Spirit, and not attack the turn it is summoned). The "during your Main Phase" clauses are actually not that common on printed cards in the way you have worded it; their mostly used for trigger effects that can only be activated once per turn during that specific phase.

Aside from Ra, however, your judgment on the Wicked Gods' hierarchy system is correct. Dread-Root and the unknown God are hierarchy 1, while Avatar is 2. The (Dark) Divine, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. I will have to check into it later, but for now, I'll leave it as it is.

Edit: Upon checking, there is no mention of a difference between (Light) and (Dark) Divine. The term "hierarchy" is also incorrect in the sense that there is a direct translation in furigana denoting it as "rank." --Benten 02:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

-Okay. That's fine. As I said, I have never read any manga, so I don't know much about it. Rank and heirarchy is the same in the end, so that's also fine. I know about the main phase thing, but that was the best way to word it, in my opinion. And tell me where the phoenix killing everything clashes please. As I said, I don't know much about the manga, so just give me an example, and I'll be fine. And Bakura didn't attack because his monster had no attack points, and D. Marik knew that Bakura didn't know that he had the quick attack ability. I know the manga and anime clash, but we do need to come up with a "perfect" ability that clashes with nothing too badly, and the other stuff must be noted above. Yours is fine, but I still think my wording so you can activate it even when revived is best.

The ATK and DEF of this card are equal to the combined ATK and DEF strengths of the monsters used to Tribute Summon this card. By paying 1000 Life Points during your Main Phase, or when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, destroy 1/all monster/monsters on your opponent's side of the field. By paying any amount of Life Points down to 1 during your Main Phase, or when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, increase the ATK and DEF of this card by the amount paid. When this card attacks after using this effect and destroys a monster on your opponent's side of the field, destroy all monsters on your opponent's side of the field. By tributing a monster on your side of the field, increase the ATK or DEF of this card by the ATK or DEF of the Tributed monster. The Winged Dragon of Ra may attack during the turn it is Special Summoned (even if a card effect would prevent it from attacking).

So what do you think? I mean, if you're deadset against the quick attack, or coming up with a more comprehensive (for need of a better word) ability, by all means, tell me to shut up, but I just want to get something perfect. After all, this wiki is for the public, and I think we need to give them the best we can interpret from all we have. (Oh, and thanks for the heirarchy and (Dark)/(Light) Divine clarification. I'm not sure where I got that L/D thing from, but if it isn't there, then that's fine.)

  • To be clear, I'm not opposed to your take on the effect. I just think that what can be omitted (due to the differences between series and mediums), should be omitted and made note of outside the effect text as to avoid being messy. Ra's Quick Attack just seems to me to be more like an ingrained ability (similar to the shared effects of the Gods) because it's exclusive to Ra. The effects for the Gods will never be perfect (since there were so many contradictions in the anime and manga); all that can be done is to give Ra's effects, and state the difference clearly.

And I assume for the "phoenix clashing" issue you mean Bakura summoning Ra while Dark Marik had Vengeful Bog Spirit out. Remember that, in the original series, Phoenix Mode can only be used after Special Summoning it from the graveyard (so Bakura merely Tribute Summoned it, and couldn't activate the effect). In any case, God Phoenix doesn't count as an attack (it's a destruction effect), so Bog Spirit would do nothing to change that. If this is not the case that you are thinking of, however, please inform me on what your looking for exactly.

--Benten 15:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

-What I meant, was when in the manga did Ra's phoenix effect not destroy all monsters? I don't think that anything in the anime says otherwise (there was always only 1 monster out). That's all (since my knowledge of the manga is limited, I don't know). So what do you think in the end? Leave it as yours, or change it to mine?

  • In both the anime and manga Ra's God Phoenix effect only destroys 1 monster (in GX it destroys all of the monsters on the opponent's field for 1000). Alternatively, when Ra performs a One Turn Kill (gaining ATK from player's Life, then attacking and destroying a monster on the opponent's field through battle), all their monsters are also destroyed. For the sake of being less wordy/messy, I think it should remain as it is. --Benten 03:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I've added that Ra takes no battle damage and is unaffected by all card effects when in "Phoenix Mode is activated, as it was depicted in the manga and anime. In addition, you can offer any number of monsters on your side of the field, not just one, so I've re-worded it as "tribute any number of monsters on your side of the field to increase the ATK and DEF of this card by the sum of the ATKs and DEFs of the tributes." 69.181.76.212 20:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)anonymous user

-'kay. I think it should be fine with the note at the top. So that's this done.


[edit] Fixations

--Actually, I'm going to change Ra's effect to the above posted one. It is better. And rank will go back to hierarchy, as direct translations are inferior to accurate ones. If you don't like it, then I'm sure that there will be another pointless discussion. The headnote stays, and the original takes priority over GX. T. M. Mitchells 10:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harakhti/Horakthy

I don't know why my first edit was removed, but I put it back along with a citation to the relevant issue of Shonen Jump. If it's going to be removed again, at least give a reason for it instead of just putting "reverted" in the edit summary. Thanks.68.163.192.45 03:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Bah, I wasn't signed in when I made this comment OR the edit -_- Anyways, yeah, it should be attributed to me, but whatever ^^ Magaroja 03:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Horakhty has actually been released as a card, along with "The Pharaoh's Name - Atemu". 213.166.17.13 09:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Dreadroute

I have this card in one of the videogames. Checking abilities, It's definetly "Wicked Dread-Root." Is this only released in video game form? And should this name be mentioned? I don't want to edit the article before I have all the facts... Onikage725

[edit] Merge

I'm actually supporting the idea of a merge now. Unless there are any objections soon, I'm going to see how it looks. There's much more potential for a good article as a single entry than four with the God cards. The Clawed One 02:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

If they're so powerful, why didn't Pegasus use them in the first season?
Okay, now that I've over that, by all means I support most kinds of merging. Merging is almost always a good thing. hbdragon88 08:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
It's already been done. The Clawed One 13:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, I was just throwing in my token support. Besides I can't resist making a joke. hbdragon88 18:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:God Cards.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Winged Dragon Of Ra.jpg

Image:Winged Dragon Of Ra.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, can someone get a hold of another Ra image we can use? The Clawed One (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ra

"When summoned by a Tribute Summon, Ra's ATK and DEF become the combined ATK and DEF of the Tributed monsters, allowing it to easily acquire thousands of points. When summoned from the Graveyard, Ra gains additional powers; it can merge with its summoner and drain their Life Points to increase its ATK points, absorb the ATK of other monsters on the field, and turn into a Phoenix immune to destruction and capable of destroying any monster regardless of attack scores. However, the exact manner in which any of these powers activates varies from duel to duel in the series, and because Ra's card text is written in the unreadable Hieratic Text, its final effects cannot be determined."

Where is the reference to this section? 67.167.255.17 (talk) 04:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The reference section, duh. Also, Ra doesn't always transform into Phoenix mode when revived from the Graveyard. As mentioned, "the exact manner in which any of these powers activates varies from duel to duel in the series", so we shouldn't say "this is how this effect happens" when it may not be the case. The Clawed One (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, your other edits have been reverted. Sometimes the God cards are effected by spells and traps, sometimes they aren't. The Clawed One (talk) 17:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Prove it, cite the episodes, not the episode names but rather what happens in the episodes. 76.16.187.218 (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Did so, read the footnotes. The Clawed One (talk) 19:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slyfer in Yu-Gi-Oh! Power of Chaos: Kaiba the Revenge

I think that Slyfer was also included in this game, anyone have the game to prove this? 76.16.187.218 (talk) 18:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It wasnt, i play the game every day and have not seen it once--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 21:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)