Talk:Egolessness
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 |
This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Philosophy, which collaborates on articles related to philosophy. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the project page for more details. | ||||||||
| Start | This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale. | ||||||||
| ??? | This article has not yet received an importance rating on the importance scale. | ||||||||
|
|||||||||
 Portal |
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Psychology, which collaborates on Psychology and related subjects on Wikipedia. To participate, help improve this article or visit the project page for details on the project.
|
||||||||
 |
Please help improve this article or section by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion. (January 2007) |
I noticed that someone made a request for this entry on the LSD page. This seems like a fine topic for investigation; does anyone know of any controlled studies connecting LSD with egolessness? If so, how closely does the egolessness in question resemble 'dhyana' 'atmadarshana' or 'shivadarshana'? Clearly if we can seem to duplicate any of these states pharmacologically, it would suggest that Crowley did not make everything up. I'll look around myself, but somehow I doubt everyone will feel satisfied with my choice of information. --Dan
There is the famous Good Friday study. Dr. Richard Alpert and Timothy Leary and Ralph Metzner did tons of experiments in the 60s at Harvard with LSD and egolessness. Tons of them.
Should this article be merged into Anatta, the actual term for the Buddhist concept of "egolessness"? Jpatokal 08:29, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I've removed the accuracy dispute tag from this article because reading through the history it seems the dispute has been resolved. IceKarma 02:44, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
This article is inaccurate, vague and misleading.
1.) I have not encountered Egolessness in psycology apart from references to egolessness in religion.
2.) It is not an emotional state, this is incorrect. It is a spiritual state that exists in consciousness, or a state of consciousness. Emotions can also exist in consciousness. The cart is being placed before the horse.
3.) One cannot feel it. The moment there is a "One to feel" and the "feeling to be felt", you are describing the duality of the mundane world (state of ego). As for the rest of the article "Cowley on egolessness" this too has several errors.
4.) The term Dhyana means meditation not "egolessness".
5.) Dhyana does not resemble Samadhi, although Dhyana can lead to a state of Samadhi.
Most of this last section are excerpts from Cowley's book, and I'm not sure how much they help in understanding or explaining egolessness. The Buddhist Anatta / Anatman come close to conveying this idea better. It may be worth redirecting to Anatta or Anatman. stray 01:09:38, 2005-09-04 (UTC)
-
- Indeed, the word "Dhyana" originally means meditation. But I think Crowley had precedent for his usage. In any case he experienced (so to speak -- as you say, the subject seems difficult to describe) a clear difference between what he called "Dhyana", what he called meditation and what he called "Samadhi", so he used different terms for all of these. You say the quotes contain several errors -- do you mean that section misrepresents or misquotes the author? Or do you mean it contradicts the current scientific view on the subject, or some other view? In the latter case, 'pedia rules say to note the fact and describe what the other view says. The Anatta article seems to address an entirely different matter -- remember, this page exists because someone made a link from LSD. Dan 09:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. Someone inexplicably changed that section to refer to these Sanskrit words as Buddhist terms. How strange. I've corrected this.
[edit] Quality tag
This page needs to be brought to a higher standard of quality. The quotation is too long, it should be re-writen in a shorter, more clear form. All the numbers and indents and quotes at present are difficult ro read. Also, it should either join with the Buddhist Anatta page or at least mention why it is seperate with similarities and difference. Right now it is basicly a theosophy page. Psychology stub is inappropriate i think, as this is more spiritual than psychological at present.
[edit] Crowley quotes
The wholesale removal of quotes has obscured an important distinction between types of "Samadhi". As a result, the remaining information now seems misleading. Furthermore, while the current article says "He wrote the following about the relative difficulties of attaining" mystic states of two kinds, the quote that follows these words actually addresses a different topic. (Namely, our knowledge regarding the means of attaining various states.) Y'all removed the quotes about relative difficulty as "irrelevant". Dan 23:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
