Talk:EFax (fax service)
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Please protect this page. eFax is a registered trademark of j2 Global Communications and should not be altered.
- That request should be made on WP:RFPP, not here. But it is unlikely that an adminstrator will grant it, since page protection is used to prevent vandalism, not to enforce a "correct" version of the page. 66.224.170.26 04:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand... how does explaining the history of the company that invented the eFax technology break this copyright... Electricbassguy
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[edit] Corporate lawyers
This page keeps having bizarre small print legal mumbo-jumbo added on by some corporate lawyer (who added himself as an article, but that was removed by AfD). Consensus seems to have already occured by the insane number of edits to a mere stub in reverting. Should this edit war continue, I assume it will have to go to RfC. Ifnord 03:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
- RESPONSE: This language appears in a number of other sites. See XEROX for example. Are you suggesting that XEROX also take their language down? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.213.246.3 (talk • contribs)
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- I have seen xerox and no where does it show a disclaimer such as the kind on this stub. It mentions they dilligently protect it as there is those who use xerox (non-capitalized) as a verb. Also, note the "Xerox" isn't taking "their" language. This is an encyclopedia, not a web server. If a specific person wants complete control over a web page then they need to create one and have it hosted. Ifnord 22:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Redirect to Fax server?
Many different companies offer services regarding electronic faxing. The site efax.com for example. Many Google hits that are unrelated to this specific product. Should this not be a redirect to Fax server? Ifnord 23:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] eFax is a notable service, not a generic term and is different from a fax server
This should NOT be redirected to fax server. If you want to find a generic term for this, then "electronic faxing" could be redirected. There are at least two reasons for not redirecting. First, eFax is a registered trademark and, as such, the United Stated Patent and Trademark Office (and its counterpart in the UK) have both declared that eFax has become distinctively associated in the public's eye with a particular service of j2 Global Communications, Inc. - the inventor of Internet faxing. Second, the eFax service is not properly defined by referencing to a fax server. In fact, eFax is sold as a replacement for fax servers. A fax server is placed at a single location for use by personnel on the premises. eFax is provided on an outsourced basis through a distributed network. Bottom line, eFax (EFAX or efax) is notable and is distinctively associated with a trademarked service of j2 Global Communications. To redirect this to fax server would be to ignore this fact and to make the definition less accurate. So redirecting is completely inappropriate.
- How does eFax turn e-mails into faxes and vice-versa? Is it not through the use of a fax server? I suggest you have a good read of the Fax server article and acquaint yourself with what a fax server actually is, because you clearly haven't a clue. And, just because you have a registered trademark doesn't mean your service is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article of its own. In fact, the lack of any substance in the article, after all your huffing and puffing over a long period, speaks for itself. I would support either deletion of the article or redirection to Fax Server. Rwxrwxrwx 21:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Response to Rwxrwxrwx
I agree that eFax uses fax servers to convert faxes into digital format. But that is like saying that a reference to Chevrolet should be replaced by one to automobile. Obviously that doesn't make sense and neither does your position. The simple fact is that fax servers are used by services like eFax, but eFax is a brand name of a service that has a distributed network of fax services, eFax was the inventor of internet faxing, eFax uses proprietary technology to convert faxes to digital format and is a trademarked service that is notable. I'm not sure what motive you have here to try to remove the reference to eFax, but the simple fact is that a service like eFax, with more than 13 million customers and the inventor of internet faxing, merits its own entry. In fact, this was already established through a separate attempt to have it deleted. Perhaps you represent a competitor of eFax that does not want to see it have an entry? To remove this reference to eFax would be contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia and serve only to make less information available to the public rather than more. Your thinly veiled attempt to manipulate this encyclopedia does nothing but harm Wikipedia. I suggest you sit on your hands and leave this one alone.
- If your service is so notable, then why isn't this reflected in the article, with relevant verifiable statements? It seems all you have done for nearly two years now is engage in petty edit-warring, trying to ensure that nobody improves the article or brings it into line with Wikipedia standards. You and your company must be really sad people, being so concerned about your image in Wikipedia, imagining that everybody else has some sort of grudge against you. Do you really think all this petty conflict and persistent lack of any real content in the article improves your standing in the eyes of Wikipedia readers and editors?
- Unlike you, I do not engage in unilateral contentious editing, and I really don't care what happens this insignificant article, so I've no particular interest in doing anything with it right now, except supporting other people's efforts to improve matters.
- Rwxrwxrwx 12:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] INDUSTRY RESPONSE
Being in the business of marketing and selling an outsourced fax service (superior to efax's, I might add), I can assure you that the correct terminology for the service is "IP Fax", which references fax delivery over Internet Protocol. IP Fax is one of the fastest growing market segments whose growth originates from the cannibalization of legacy fax machine and/or fax server solutions. As such, a new topical area, entitled IP Fax is perhaps the appropariate means of dealing with this. Whether or not such topic should include information on specific companies that provide IP Fax service is another question altogether.
[edit] AGREE WITH INDUSTRY RESPONSE
IP Fax is a good way to describe it - as is Internet Fax. EFAX is not, however, because it is so closely associated with the service of j2 Global. As a result, redirection to Fax Server seems not to make much sense, nor would redirection to anything else due to noteworthy nature of the eFax service.
[edit] Agree with above
EFAX is a particlar product, the "Fax Server" article is about a group of products. It would be silly to redirect. (It would be like redirecting "MS Word" to "Word Processors."
--66.17.205.130 01:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- So you agree with yourself, do you? Well that's a start, at least you're agreeing with somebody now. Rwxrwxrwx 08:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] User talk:jdadelman
I have added the following text to User talk:jdadelman, which I think speaks for itself. Comments are welcome.
Jeff, I think it's about time the two of us had a friendly little chat, man to man, about your constant vandalism of any and all Wikipedia articles related to efaxing and especially the article on your company's product, eFax (fax service). How about it? I have a few points to make -
- Since you are a senior employee of J2 [1], you are in constant breach of the Wikipedia policy relating to conflict of interest. If your product is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, and people have accepted that it is, then neutral editors will write about it in a neutral way, and any biased editing will be dealt with. That's what happens with other companies and products (including your competitors) featured in Wikipedia, and it works quite well. Wikipedia is not an advertising service.
- Your product's legal page at http://home.efax.com/legal/efax/legal.html does not claim that eFax is a registered trademark, only a "trademark", so stop claiming it here. And as both of us know, it does not stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting registered, as is explained with plenty of references in the article. Get used to it.
- The more you attack Wikipedia articles, the more it gets people's backs up, and the more they will dig for notable negative information about your company, the people behind it, and its modus operandi. Do you really want all that becoming public knowledge?
- Over the past couple of years you have used many different user accounts and IP addresses (which are easily traceable to J2) for your attacks. In Wikipedia parlance this is known as sockpuppeting, which is seriously frowned on, and when used to evade the rules often results in users and their IP addresses getting banned from Wikipedia. If that happens to you, you will have no influence at all over the contents of the articles which you are trying to turn into advertisements.
- Your apparent obsession about what Wikipedia says or does not say about your company and its product betrays a deep insecurity on your part. If your company is failing [2], then that's to be expected; fax is an obsolescent technology and it's not Wikipedia's fault. Why not just let people judge you on your record and reputation and move on confidently into the future? Be a man, not a child.
