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[edit] F-1 claim

The claim that an EF-111 killed a Mirage is questionable. The footnoted source doesn't support this claim. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.90.188.6 (talk • contribs) .

Footnoted source says what this article says. "In Desert Storm an EF-111 was credited with one of the first kills of the conflict as a maneuvering Raven caused a pursuing Iraqi Mirage to crash into the ground."[1] F-111.net says s/n 66-0016 was "Credited for a Iraqi Mirage F1 kill on 17 January 1991, after flying at an altitude caused the chasing Mirage to impact the ground."[2]. There are several more, what is the problem with this? Dual Freq 00:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I've seen at least two different sources that say that, while that EF-111 was almost certainly responsible for the crash of the F1, it was not officially credited as a kill for the aircrew, although it was acknowledged as an "unofficial" kill. ArgentLA 00:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

However, in both Citations for the Distinguished Flying Crosses for Captains Denton and Brandon (signed by LT GEN Charles Horner - CENTAF CC) "a low altitude air battle followed during which Capts Denton and Brandon eluded a missile attack, followed by the destruction of am attacking F-1 as as it impacted the ground."

In the OFFICIAL retirement remarks by Air Force Vice Chief of Staff LT GEN David L. Vesely recited the OFFICIAL history of the aircraft, pointing out the "downing of an Iraqi F-1 on the first wave attack by Capts Denton and Brandon." Source: Welcome to the Raven Farewell, 2 May 1998 - Cannon AFB, NM Official retirement orders of EF-111 66-016.

...and that is why they selected that airframe to represent the EF-111 on static display.

[edit] EF-111 vs EF-111A

There was never an EF-111, only the EF-111A. They were all F-111A conversions. --Dual Freq 23:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have noted the Air Force Museum fact sheet. It seemed pretty consistent about using EF-111A vs EF-111. GlobalSecurity.org is a bit less consistent, but their article name is EF-111A as well. --Dual Freq 03:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


EF-111 Raven → EF-111A Raven — The general naming convention says to "be precise" with the name. If there are no other variants of the EF-111, then the title should reflect that. This discussion should serve as a history to prevent future moves either way. Born2flie 14:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this is not a vote; comments must include reasons to carry weight.

Support - Article name should accurately reflect if the article only applies to a single variant or example. --Born2flie 14:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Simplicity; precedent with EA-6 and EA-18, among others. Will abide by consensus. - BillCJ 15:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - simpler without the A, and if any further variants ever pop up, will be accomodated (admittedly not very likely). 132.205.44.134 16:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - Technically there were only EF-111A since all a/c were converted F-111A. Outside articles seem to prefer the EF-111A designation [3] [4] [5]. The EA-6 article discusses at least 3 variants so it can not be named EA-6B as the article used to be named and the EA-18 article name probably should be EA-18G. Google even suggests EA-18G if EA-18 is input to the search engine. --Dual Freq 17:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

On the evidence presented here, there would seem to be a slight preference for EF-111A, but, taking into account the WP:AIR naming convention to "be named as generally as possible", I cannot see any clear consensus. It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 13:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I have requested a db-move, as I was one of the objectors. I can re-poll if necessary. - BillCJ (talk) 01:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Article was moved to EF-111A Raven without objection by moving admin. I have reconsidered my position on the model letter issue, and have had EA-6B, EA-18G, and AV-8B moved to those titles also. Thanks, and sorry for being contentious. - BillCJ (talk) 01:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

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The EF-111A aircrafts which deployed in Saudi Arabia are for RSAF use ? Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 16:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)