Talk:Edward the Martyr

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[edit] Thoughts

I have a few thoughts on the article. Given that GA is not FA, I don't see that these should prevent it being passed as a Good Article, but they are things that should be resolved eventually. Take this as a stream-of-consciousness effort, as much for my benefit as anyone else's.

  • Life: The current treatment of the Anti-Monastic reaction is rather too black and white. It did not oppose pro- and anti-reform factions, but rather saw the magnates (Edward's, Dunstan's and "God's friend" ealdorman Ælfwine among them) helping themselves to monastic properties. Edward did the same on at least one occasion (see S 937). Eric John's Reassessing Anglo-Saxon England is supposed to be good on this. I haven't seen it myself, but I might be able to pop over to Edinburgh next week and skim through the NLS's copy.
  • Death: The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle entries recording E's death do not say who killed him and some do not say how he died. The earliest source to name the killers as servants - but of Æthelred and not Queen Ælfthryth - is, so far as I can tell, Byrhtferth's Life of Oswald, probably written in the late 10th century (see here for an excerpt from the Life). The Anglo-Saxons.net comments on the reports killing and on Edward are worth reading. Among the earliest sources naming Ælfthryth as being behind the killing are Adam of Bremen and William of Malmesbury. Frank Stenton apparently says: "There is nothing to support the allegation ... that Queen Ælfthryth had plotted her stepson's death."
  • Death again: the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle versions (DEF) which report Edward's death most fully use exceptional language. Paraphrasing (translations are beyond me) the main points of Ms. D, s.a. 979, it says: "Here Edward the king was killed at Corfe, in the evening, on XV kal. April, & they buried him at Wareham, without kingly honour. No worse deed than this was done by the English since they first came to Britain. Men cast him down, God raised him up. He was in life an earthly king, now in death he is a heavenly saint. ..." Ms. C, s.a. 978 is shorter and to the point: "In this year King Edward was martyred". We should try to give a sense of these things, because they are unusual.
  • Hagiography: The Life of Oswald may contain information on miracles attributed to Edward near to the time of his death, witnessed by future Archbishop Ælfric of Abingdon (see here).
  • Cult: his half-brother and Cnut both ordered that E's feast should be celebrated.
  • Burning: the idea that Edward's body was burned is not a later invention. It appears in Wulfstan's Sermo Lupi ad Anglos: "And a very great betrayal of a lord it is also in the world, that a man betray his lord to death, or drive him living from the land, and both have come to pass in this land: Edward was betrayed, and then killed, and after that burned; and Æthelred was driven out of his land."
  • Hagiography again: The Passio Sancti Eadwardi and the Miracula Sancti Eadwardi are in Christine Fell's Edward, King and Martyr. The National Library has that too.

That seems to be all I can think of for now. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA

If you want start on these changes and guide it to FA go for it. I don't do FA articles as I have found the process to be a waste of my time. I find it better to improve a stub or cite a B article to GA. I am handing off Edward and moving on. -- SECisek 05:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)