Talk:Edward V of England

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Is there contemporary evidence that Richard had his brother declared illegitimate? From my understanding, this is more Tudor propaganda. Richard was devoted to his mother, and to declare her as cuckolding his father is rather unthinkable. -- Zoe

Besides which, the old girl was still very much alive and would have had his guts for garters. But there are indications that was one of the stories Clarence was spreading to enhance his chance at the throne and, therefore, the reason their mother didn't hold his execution against Edward and Richard. But it was definitely the Tudor propagandists who said it in public and attributed it to Richard. -- isis 31 Aug 2002
Contemporary accounts of what was said vary. Mancini, who is often quoted by Richard's supporters, is one of those who said that Edward IV himself was declared illegitimate.

I don't think that replacing reasoned argument with non-NPOV stuff is going to help resolve the issue. --Deb

What issue? Nobody ever declared Edward IV illegitimate, so there is no evidence that anyone did. Edward's children were declared illegitimate, by Parliament, in Titulus Regius. Those are facts, and there's a huge difference between NPOV and revisionism. -- isis 31 Aug 2002
There is also no evidence of Edward IV's pre-contract. However, there is a big difference between listing all available evidence and selectively listing the bits you prefer to believe in. Even the Richard III Society website is more objective than the article as it stands. Deb
Yes, there was evidence of the precontract, namely, the Bishop's eye-witness testimony, and it was credible enough to convince Parliament. --isis 31 Aug 2002
Are we really going to descend to repeating all these tired old for-and-against-Richard III arguments? I did my best to make the article NPOV and objective. You have chosen to present only the evidence you find palatable. I can't be bothered to continue the debate --Deb
No one doubts you did your best, and no one doubts your intentions. This is just one of those cases where the consensus of the Wikipedian community went the other way. It happens. --isis 31 Aug 2002
I don't see anything NPOV about what's on the subject page. -- Zoe

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[edit] Prince of Wales

(For a brief period after his birth and before he was officially given the title, he was one of two living Princes of Wales, the other being the only son of Henry VI of England, who was killed in May, 1471.)

I removed this bit because it's not at all accurate - Prince of Wales isn't a title automatically inherited at birth, it has to be awarded. There certainly can't be two of them, by definition. Edward (V) may have been heir to the throne briefly while Edward of Westminster still claimed the title Prince of Wales, but then the throne itself was still in dispute at the time. sjorford →•← 12:28, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Richard was only 'next in line for the throne' if qualifiers are added

"Richard's other brothers, Edmund and George, Duke of Clarence, had both died before Edward, leaving Richard next in line for the throne." This statement is only true if you also add that the Duke of Clarence's children were barred from the succession by their father's attainder. Historians are unclear on this (as was Richard III probably). The statement should probably be altered slightly to reflect this.

[edit] Not crowned

"Along with Edward VIII and Lady Jane Grey, Edward V is one of only three British monarchs never to have been crowned." Can't be true. There is few others too --Tbonefin 17:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC).

...and they are...? --King Hildebrand 15:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Edgar Atheling was King of England for two months in 1066, but never crowned.
  • Matilda was Lady of the English for a few months in 1141, but never crowned.

So that has answered your question, King Hildebrand. Deaþe gecweald 12:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think a more pressing issue is that he's referred to as a British Monarch. Britain didn't exist as anything more than a geographical concept in 1483.

- CharlieRCD —Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlieRCD (talk • contribs) 16:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

As an alternative to removing uncrowned monarchs only of England from a "British" list, you could add all of the uncrowned monarchs of Scotland (before the U.K.) to the list. It would then include all uncrowned British monarchs.64.131.188.104 (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

The part about uncrowned monarchs is problematic in that it places Edward V and Edward VIII, who though never crowned were both undoubtedly King for a time, with Matilda and Lady Jane Grey, who were never truly Queens. Most every textbook, and even the British monarchy website, simply lists Stephen as King from 1135-1154; simply because Matilda temporarily got the upper hand in the was known as the Anarchy does not mean she was truly queen. Additionally, Mary I is listed as succeeding Edward VI; once again, just because some tried to make her queen does not mean the nine days when they tried meant she was truly queen. To give these two ladies the same place in history as Edward V and Edward VIII, who were truly King and accepted as such, is simply misleading.

[edit] EastShire

To what land does the title 'Lord of EastShire' attain to? No other King/Queen of England seems to have such a title. Lenzar 21:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Accession

I've changed this to the 9th, rather than the 11th, as the 9th is stated in the tables elsewhere in Wikipedia, and also seems to be the date favoured by historians. Since he was never crowned, and his succession had been premeditated, it makes sense to say that his reign began upon the death of Edward IV. The 9th April is by far the more commonly encountered figure, but I have added a proviso to the main article explaining the discrepancy.

CharlieRCD 22:58, 24 September 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Uncrowned monarchs

Lady Jane Grey as an uncrowned Queen of England? --Wetman (talk) 12:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Wikipedia ought not contain statements that Lady Jane Grey was legally, unambiguously, and without qualification, Queen, without some kind of footnote or "purported" or anything. See my addition to the Talk Page for Lady Jane Grey.64.131.188.104 (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson