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Contents 1 Biography 2 Illness 3 Aviatik Incident 4 The Forgotten Ace 5 Scotland 6 Mannock the tactician 7 What LILLIERS ?

[edit] Biography

Why is there no mention anywhere of the definitive book on Edward 'Mick' Mannock, written by a modern British historian at the University of Southampton who has published extensively, and who enjoyed the full cooperation of the family? Read: Adrian Smith, Mick Mannock Fighter Pilot: Myth, Life and Politics (Palgrave, 2001)

[edit] Illness

"Mannock developed amoebic infestation which rendered him temporarily blind and left him with permanently impaired vision." This has frequently been quoted but there is no actual proof of any eyesight weakness.

[edit] Aviatik Incident

The shooting down of the Aviatik trainers is also the subject of speculation and may be more due to Ira Jones' championing of Mannock's cause after the end of the war.(Harryurz 18:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC))

Alan Clark makes several references to this incident in Aces High, but since that book contains no footnotes I have been unable to trace the origin of the story. Drutt (talk) 07:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Forgotten Ace

Much of this section is speculation and covered elsewhere in the article; as this is a reference encyclopedia can i suggest this part is edited out? The Red Baron did not 'fly solo missions' either.... Harryurz 15:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I did some copyediting of that section to make it readable but I'm not so sure it was worthwhile. If its going to stay it needs referencing at the very least. To my mind most of the heroes of that war are now for the most part forgotten and Mannock is no exception so is there any point to pointing it out? Sources needed or it goes in my opinion. --LiamE 13:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scotland

One of the reference articles has Mr. Mannock as having been born in Scotland (Major Mick Mannock), which is correct? Durrus

Mannock was born in either Aldershot, Brighton or Ireland -depending on which source you read! First Ive heard about scotland though Harryurz 10:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC) 14:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mannock the tactician

Much of this section has become speculative - ; words like 'arguably' etc should be avoided and POV's listed- particularly for the red baron references , which add nothing to the article , unless these are references , is everyone in agreement they should go? thanks Harryurz 11:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I took out the Red Baron claim, even before I saw this comment. I had heard that he was a great marksman, but an indifferent pilot, which would make it somewhat dubious. Clarityfiend 23:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What LILLIERS ?

correct place of death might be LILLERS (near BETHUNE), isn't it ? - Obviously there is no LILLIERS,

Thanks (WernerE) (germanwiki) 15.12.2006.