Talk:Edward Clark Carter

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I have removed the link [1]. The linked page "The Life and Times of Chen Hansheng (1897-2004)" does not actually support the spy charge. It is not an academic paper, but a research summary. Further, we have a page on Chen Han-seng, and his activities are properly discussed there. It is not denied that he knew Richard Sorge. Charles Matthews 09:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The point is not that he knew him, but that he was a member of his spy ring. See Maochen Yu ref. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark LaRochelle (talk • contribs) 09:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, I don't see why you have unlinked Chen Han-seng. We have an article on him, and this discussion should be carried out in relation with what Wikipedia writes about him, there. Secondly, you have added more references, but I'm not quite clear about what they are supposed to prove. Are you claiming that Chen was in Tokyo? The first one makes some point about Agnes Smedley. Chen is supposed to have quit contact with Sorge in 1935? To have left Shanghai for Moscow, as the piece from The Guardian implies? All this is very remote from the topic of this article. Also, adding the word 'legendary' to Sorge doesn't help matters at all. Charles Matthews 10:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Good points. The unlinking was accidental, now corrected. I'm trying to accomodate you here. The relevant quote from Yu is now included in the text ("become a member of the

well-known Richard Sorge Spy Ring"). Not sure why you think the fact that Lattimore is congratulating Carter for handing over the inquiry to this particular Soviet agent is irrelevant to the accusations of pro-Soviet bias on the part of Carter. That Chen fled Tokyo for Moscow in '35 hardly seems to make him a non-entity in all this. Again from Yu:

"After Chen fled from Tokyo to Moscow in 1935 to prevent the Sorge Ring’s operations from exposure, Owen Lattimore, then the editor of the New York-based journal Pacific Affairs, the mouthpiece of the Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR), asked the Soviet Union, a member nation of IPR, for an assistant (p.63). In 1936, Moscow recommended Chen Hansheng to Lattimore, who readily accepted the nomination. Chen then went to New York, this time under the direct control of Kang Sheng, who was also in Moscow, to work with Lattimore from 1936 until 1939, when Chen was reassigned by Kang Sheng to a Hong Kong-based operation."Mark LaRochelle 10:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)