Talk:Edward Carson, Baron Carson

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[edit] Pay no attention to the Open tasks behind the curtain

The appearance of in this page's ToC of sec'ns that are not visible on the page is a side-effect of a bad design decision in one of the relevant WikiProjects. This talk page needs the ToC to do its job, and i think we can assume that it the project will find a better way of accomplishing its design goals, and eventually give us an accurate ToC.
--Jerzy•t 01:25 & 01:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed per request at the Wikipedia:Village Pump (technical). Anomie⚔ 14:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Just when it feels like WP is hurtling into permanent incomprehensibility, Linus's Law delivers again. Thanks to Anomie (apparently NTBCW User:The Anome) (and, for all i know, anonymous others) for the quick resolution of the nagging weirdness. Hmm, does something now need to be done about the nagging weirdness of my now cryptic references to "open tasks behind the curtain"? [wink, shrug]
--Jerzy•t 17:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Carson, where was he from?

Carson was actually born in Portarlington, think about it , Portarlington has a huge Protestant population up until the mid 50's so really he wasn't a "true blue" at all.

I tell you I've just found something interesting, he was born in Dublin alright but he spent the "formative years" of his life in Portarlington where he went to primary school. I could've put any amount of money on him being a Laois man, but like most people he only moved there when he was young, i.e. a child after being born. He may have been born in Dublin but he definately wouldn't be classed as a true blue.

There seems to be some confusion as to whether Carson was elected MP for Dublin University in 1892 as a Conservative or Liberal Unionist. I have come across a number of sources which conflict on this point. In one respect it's not important as the Conservatives and Liberal Unionists were in coalition (and merged in 1911) and for many years Conservatives in England as well as Ireland were simply known as "Unionists". But it should be noted that Carson's political views on most issues other than Irish Home Rule placed him in the tradition on 19th century liberalism rather than conservatism. For this reason, I have replaced the term "Conservative" with "Unionist" in respect of his 1892 election to parliament as MP for Dublin University.

[edit] Carson and the U.V.F.

The article states that Carson established the U.V.F. There is substantial evidence to dispute this point, and it is debatable as to how involved Carson was in the actual establishment of the Ulster Volunteer Force.

It is true that Carson was the leader of the Ulster Unionists, he represented the public face of Unionism and its cause, speaking at rallies and attending talks between the opposing sides. HOWEVER, he had very little involvement in events such as the organising of the Ulster Covenant (even though he was the first person to assign his name to it), and he also felt extremely uneasy about the creation of the U.V.F. and the subsequent Larne gun-running. Despite these reservations, he was forced to accept such developments because by 1914 he had beome so deeply committed to the Unionist cause that he could not object. The aforementioned developments were exclusively the work of James Craig, who should be regarded as the 'Father of Northern Ireland', not Carson.

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[edit] Carson and partition

This and other articles say that Carson was opposed to partition. When? He certainly supported it in 1920-22, and he seems to have supported it in 1914 by ensuring an exemption for Ulster from the Third Home Rule Bill. I assume that his first desire was to avoid any Home Rule in Ireland, and failing that then to ensure Ulster (or most of it) remained in the UK. That cannot fairly be described as opposing partition: it was an opposition to Home Rule at all, but with a fall-back position. --Henrygb 21:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious

[edit] 1910 - explain?

The opening sentence in the section Unionism that reads, "In 1910, the House of Lords' opposition to the Third Irish Home Rule Bill was about to be overridden through the Parliament Act." This needs to be cleared up. The Third Home Rule Bill was not introduced to the Commons until 1912 and the Lords was "about to be overridden" until 1914. --sony-youthpléigh 08:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Life Peer?

The article refers to Carson being made a life peer in 1921. Yet to the best of my knowledge, there were no life peers then. But I can't find any record of anyone succeeeding to the peerage on Carson's death. Can someone please explain? Millbanks 23:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Law Lords were effectively life peers from 1876 onwards - see Lord of Appeal in Ordinary. Timrollpickering 21:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, although they were not technically life peers under the 1958 Act. This is a particular bête noire of mine. --Counter-revolutionary 21:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)