Talk:Education in the Republic of Ireland

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[edit] Sectioning

The section headings on this page are nice and clear, reasonably structured too, but it seems quite fragmented. There's only a few lines between (sub)headings. What's the best way to fix this - it might be messy to try gumming sections together.

good question!, many of the Education by country topics are fragmented and just a list of incoherent, incompete ideas often just a mantra of school years/grades. Perhaps the topic should be a kind of narrative, leading off to distinct topics as neccessary whilst still been a coherent, singular document which gives the reader a broad overview of the system and its distinctiveness - any ideas? Djegan
I've removed subheadings for each type of primary school and each level of secondary school. The headings were immediately repeated in the first words of each section. It broke up things much too much. There's still blank lines, and I've indented these rather short sections to show the 'list' nature of the topics, with the general heading and paragraph thus clearly 'owning' the lists.
It's an experiment - I think it looks better - two/three lines is too little for even a subheading. Do feel free to change it back though, or try something different.
Zoney 00:37, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Secondary Schools

Does any one know the difference between a Community School and Comprehensive School apart from the community element, i don't? Is it worth commenting on or a redirect?

Djegan 20:03, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Transition Year

Is it just me or does there seem to be a greater number of schools starting the Leaving cert programme in transition year, giving the students a years head start in important subjects like maths and english. Where as schools that run excellent transition year programmes (going by the rules) the pupils loose out to other schools that run, practically a 3 year Leaving Cert. Ablaze 15:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Education infobox

I created a template, Template:Education infobox which can give a quick at a glance demographics table for education articles. See its implementation at Education in the United States and feel free to help improve the template.--naryathegreat | (talk) 01:00, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Politics of Education

How about a section on the debate over denominational education? Autarch 18:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pontifical University of Maynooth

Surely the point that the "laws of Ireland" don't recognise degrees from the Pontifical University Maynooth is incorrect? It was a recognised college of the NUI and became a degree awarding body under the 1997 act, in its own right. Is this wrong? In any event there is no way that its "recognised" status would have been derogated by the inacting of the 1997 act. Could somebody clarify?

The St Patrick's College, Maynooth article should clarify, in summary two universities have awarded degrees at the college; the National University of Ireland, and its predicessors, (arts and science degrees) and the Pontifical Univerisity (canon law, philosophy and theology degrees). Djegan 19:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] request for added topic

In the history section, could someone please add a description of official government policy of not charging students who took third-level courses in Irish? I don't actually know if there was such a policy but having heard about it from Irish people whom I met years ago, I came to this page to see if there was any information. It's an interesting topic, pertinent to govenrnmnent policies promoting preservation of indigenous languages, ways for third-level students to get out of paying fees, and the current status of Irish in everyday life. I would like to know: did such a policy exist? for how long? how successful was (is?) it? who was (is?) eligible to take classes in Irish? how was it implemented? Dveej 17:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry: I meant to separate the list of my last few questions with commas, but they did not appear for some reason. Dveej 17:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gaelscoileanna

St. Enda's School (Scoil Éanna) in Ranelagh, County Dublin, was the first bilingual Gaelic-English school in Ireland and was founded by Pádraig Pearse in 1908.

"Gaelscoileanna are a very recent innovation, started only late in the last century. The Irish language is the working language in these schools. They are particularly en vogue in non-Irish speaking areas"

Surely Irish speaking schools in An Gaeltacht can be considrerd Gaelscoileanna? They have been around much longer than the latter part of the 20th century.

My own opinion is that a "Gaelscoileanna" is as much an idea as it is a type of school; many of them function under different structures to other schools. The terms does not appear prior to 1979 in the Oireachtas debates, "all-Irish school" appears to been the vogue term previous to this. Djegan 18:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Still this part of the entry feels subtly pejorative. The phrase “in vogue” seems to refer to something frivolous and as pointed out, these schools by definition are in non-Irish speaking areas since Irish-speaking areas have a separate system of all-Irish schools. Maybe it wasn’t intended that way by the author, but that’s how it reads to an outsider who stumbled on the entry, and given how controversial minority-language education can be, globally, it might be worth rewording it. With respect 194.35.219.100 16:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Tim
Hopefully it reads better now. Bastun 17:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mission +vission

i want to know the mission, vission, objectives,and philosophy of ireland education Bold text

[edit] Merger

This is the exact same article as Education_in_Ireland, and as a result, I think that they should be they should be merged.--Heggy 23:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

    • It's been fixed now.--Heggy 20:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] university status

Seven universities in Ireland are recognised by statute (DCU, TCD, UL and the 4 NUI universities NUIM, NUIG, UCD, UCC).

Are these institutions fradulent or illegal?:

"Free university of Ireland"

"Irish International University"

"Glencullen University"

"Dublin Metropolitan University"

"Swiss-Irish Tourism Management University"

I can't say whether they're fraudulent or illegal. What I would say is that they appear to be unaccredited. Some of them admit to this on their websites. I've drawn my own conclusions on a Dublin uni with an address in London... BastunBaStun not BaTsun 12:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Here is what the Universities Act 1997 has to say:

52. Educational institution not to be described as university.

(1) Except in relation to an educational institution or facility established and described as such before the 30th day of July, 1996, (in which case it may continue to be so described), a person shall not, without the approval of the Minister, use the word "university" to describe an educational establishment or facility.


(2) The Minister may apply to the High Court for an injunction to restrain any person from using the word "university" in contravention of subsection (1).
But I suspect that the situation would be more complex than this, and would warrant furthur research. The term "the Minister" means the Minister for Education and Science. None of the above institutions, except those seven created specifically by Act of the Oireachtas or Royal Charter, would be considered bona-fide universities. Basically if it does not offer course thru the Central Applications Office (CAO) then be weary, the Department of Education and Science should have a list of courses in Ireland that would be considered of good standing, these were available on its website which appears to be inoperative at the moment. Djegan 13:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The "Free university of Ireland" (http://www.saor-ollscoil.ie/) is based in Ireland but seems to have got around the legislation by being established before 30th day of July, 1996. It still looks like an unaccredited degree mill.

[edit] While Gaelteacht areas have always had Irish language National and Secondary schools,

Surely this is not the case!Eog1916 (talk) 12:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)