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Considering Special:Contributions/JGal2004, I removed "In 1979, the literacy rate was 99%" since no source was given. Angela. 10:31, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Grades in upper secondary school
I just want to point out that there is a difference between *** (no grade) and IG, at least in some schools. Getting an IG means that you do not posses enough knowlige of that particular subject. Not getting a grade at all (***) means that you have not handed in enough material, so the teacher cannot judge how well you know the subject.
You could also say that getting an IG on a course means that you took, and finished the course, but failed it. While getting *** means that you took the course but never finished it.
This does not matter if the student never intends to 'fix' these grades, but some schools do look at these grades differently if the student wants to fix them.
As an example, a student that have an IG in say history, might just get a supplemental task, while a student with no grade would be required to retake the whole course. Dimacus (talk) 04:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Grundskola/Primary school
Why is grundskolan (primary school) on this page divided into upper and lower? In sweden ít's actually divided into lower, middle and upper, with three grades in each, from 1-9.
- True, generally referred to as "lågstadiet", "mellanstadiet" and "högstadiet", respectively, (lit. "low stage", "middle stage", "high stage")
- Anyone good in Wikipedia editing can change it eh?--84.217.8.49 00:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Nowadays, it is really divided in "lower" ("tidigarestadium") and "upper" ("senarestadiet"), or something like that, so I think the current system should be reflected in the article, not the system you remember from your own school days... For practical reasons, individual schools still have the system with grades 0-5 on one school, and 6-9 on another, or all grades 0-9 (sometimes even including pre-school) on the same premises.--Blondel 17:33, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Really? I had no idea... (note: "tidigarestadium" and "senarestadium" literally means "earlier stage" and "later stage", note: the -um ending is in indefinite form, while the -et ending is in definite form, it's a Latin borrowing, so it's irregular.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.72.148 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 27 September 2005
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- AFAIK tidigarestadium and senarestadium are not officially recognized terms by Skolverket, unlike lågstadium, mellanstadium, and högstadium were before they were removed in 1994 and replaced with the current school system. People may use these terms however to differentiate between grundskolor that have grades 1-9 versus schools that only offer grades 1-5 or 1-6. Since 1994, grundskola is no longer divided at all and should just be one block in the table. I'll fix this at some point if no one else does beforehand. panda 17:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template:Education infobox
I created a template, Template:Education infobox which can give a quick at a glance demographics table for education articles. See its implementation at Education in the United States and feel free to help improve the template.--naryathegreat | (talk) 01:00, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Age span for primary and secondary school
I edited the age span for primary and secondary school in the tables today (oct 30 2005). I would like a discussion of which span should be used though. The editing done now was more for coherent use than anything else. It earlier said that lower primary school spanned from age 7-12, upper from 13-16 and secondary school from 16-19. This seems to me to be incoherent.
Either the span should note the beginning in which year the attendant turns the specified age, or what age span the children has when attending the education stage. This would mean that either use 7-12, 13-15 and 16-18; or 7-13, 13-16 and 16-19. I think the latter is prefered, because that kind of span take note of starting age and finishing age of each stage, as well as providing the number of years attending that stage (i.e. 13-7 equals 6 years). The former only take note of starting age for each year in the stage, and you have to think a bit extra to calculate the number of years for each stage (i.e. 12-7 equals 5 years). —Preceding unsigned comment added by FoH (talk • contribs) 13:13, 30 October 2005
- Skolverket (The Swedish National Agency for Education) has age spans for each level of schooling. The info has been integrated into the US vs Sweden section. panda 15:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The tables
According to the tables, you finish grade 5 in Sweden when you are 13 and begin grade 6 at that age. That's wrong (We don't talk about those who wait one year because they can't sitt still during the lessons or those who begin earlier because people think they are smarter than other children). Let's say the child was born in 1982. In the school year of 1993-1994, the child was in the 5 th grade as an 11-12 year old. In the school year of 1994-1995, that child was in the 5 th grade as a 12-13 year old. (I know that some children are born late in the year, and the Swedish school year starts in August). This means:
Lower Primary School is grade 1-5, and for children between 7-12 years. Upper Primary School is grade 6-9 and for children between 12-16 years.
Some schools have another system, where Lower Primary School is grade 1-6, and for children between 7-13 years. Upper Primary School for them is grade 7-9 and for children between 13-16 years.
- 7-12, 12-16, 16-19 makes more sense matemathically. I change that. 惑乱 分からん 21:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] comparison
“A Swedish Bachelor's degree is seen to hold a slightly higher academic distinction,” Based on what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.213.137.245 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 16 July 2006
- Not based on reality anyways. I teach in Sweden, and come from Britain, and can quite honestly say I've never heard this. Infact, I'd tend to say that in my experience the opposite is true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.85.0 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 21 March 2007
- That text as well as the entire comparison of higher education in the US/Sweden has been commented out until someone has time to update the text. The info was outdated and sounded more like an opinion than researched data. panda 20:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Put a dubious after (paraphrasing) "Swedish later high school is like freshman year in college". I see no claim for this, and don't believe it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.147.7 (talk) 22:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] University grading
The paragraph seems to be completely original research, and misinformed. I've never heard of a difference between Universities and University Colleges relating to where VG grades are used. And claiming that the 3-4-5 grades are mostly used at Högskolor is also wrong. Afaik, they are mostly used at Tekniska Högskolor, which are in many cases part of Universities.... Don't take my word for it, find a reference! /Kriko 19:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- You're right. What grades are used has nothing to do with whether it's is a university or a university college (högskola). Perhaps the difference between universitet and högskola should be mentioned? Anyhow, that section is awful in the current article. There is a lot of information that is completely wrong. 130.243.240.244 23:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
- Can you find a source for the 50, 60, 65, 75 and 90% grading limits in the "possible table of comparison, in use in 2007 but without official status"? Where is it used? At Mid Sweden University, a document recommending 50, 60, 70, 80 and 90% grading limits was spread a couple of years ago. Mange01 04:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Education_in_Sweden#University
I put a Not verified template on this section, specifically regarding the cost. The estimated student debt after completion seems arbitrary and should be backed up - as should the rest. mceder (u t c) 13:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Swedish terminology?
Do we really need all this Swedish terminology in the running text? I could understand terminology like folkhögskola, högskola and komvux, but doesn't förskola correspond fairly well to pre-school, and årskurs to grade? 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 18:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- It's better to include the Swedish terminology and to do it consistently.
- Deciding when it is sufficient with an English term instead of the Swedish term can be a matter of personal opinion.
- The Swedish terminology makes it easier for an English speaker to converse with a Swede about their education system. For example, Swedes would probably say gymnasiet and not "upper secondary school".
- Swedes definitely know the Swedish term for their schools but may not necessarily know the equivalent English term. If an English speaker were to ask a Swede about some part of their school system with the "official" English translation (according to Skolverket/Högskoleverket), the Swede may not necessarily know what they're talking about. Master degree has, for example, at least three different translations to Swedish: magisterexamen, masterexamen, and several of the yrkesexamina.
- Årskurs doesn't really translate to grade in the sense that it is used in American English even though dictionaries may say that it does. The number for årskurs restarts each time a student moves to the next school level (grundskola, gymnasium, högskola) so saying someone is in grade 1 of gymnasium or högskola doesn't make sense in American English. It would make more sense if it was translated as "year" for year 1 of grundskola, gymnasium, or högskola, but year is not a recognized translation for årskurs.
- –panda 20:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I start to understand your point, anyway. I'm a little doubtful about point two and three, though, since this is an article aimed primarily at an English-speaking audience. It could be enough to give the translation once. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 08:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Missing degrees in secondary school
Civilingenjör and högskoleingenjör(Degree of engineering and degree of master of engineering) Lord Metroid 19:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- They're considered yrkesexamina, I believe. To clarify, those degrees are considered high ed degrees, not secondary school (gymnasium) degrees. Feel free to add more info about yrskesexamina (professional/vocational degrees) if you like since there is currently very little about them in the article. –panda 19:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Citations Needed
Citations, context, and editing are needed on this page. Some sections, for instance the "Choice" section simply consists of assertion without citation or context. If there are controversies, the critics and their opponents must be cited. Further, the characterization presented only infects one with a desire to know what the outcome tradeoffs actually are in terms of the standardized math curriculum for young children, as Sweden is internationally famous for both having a very effective and competitive technology sector (based on math proficiency, one might assume) and presenting a model of high social mobility. Is the implicit comparison with the very high performance Finnish math education model? Context would be helpful. Blanche Poubelle (talk) 20:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
