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Contents 1 Improvement 2 Given Name 3 Portrait 4 FDP conservative? 5 Compare with Oskar Lafontaine 6 The infamous August 2005 campaign speech 7 Stoiber's fate is Viktor Orban's replay: bavarians learn from huge hungarian mistake! 8 Education - failing in the early years 9 Criticism on Stoiber

[edit] Improvement

This entry could be further improved. For instance it mentions "maintenance of internal security". What is this security internal to? There is probably also a standard translation of the German Ministerpresident. --Mjausson

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I don't know the standard translations of special German words, cause I'm German, not English. However, "maintenance of internal security" means, among other things, making stricter laws against violence and terrorism if violence and terrorism occurs. -- IAm

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So would "maintaining strict anti-terrorist laws" work for the phrase about internal security? --Mjausson

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It's not only that. Not every kind of violence is caused by terrorism. Mr Stoiber just wants a country in which people feel save -- IAm

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I think "prime minister" should be ok. It is used for all heads of governments, mostly of countries, but if you consider Germany's federal structure ... Governor means someone who was appointed by the central government in order to administer a province, which is not the case here. The US governors are called so because they were appointed by the British crown before the independence. "Land" is to be translated by "state", except if you want discuss the entity "Bundesland" in the German constitution, when you would leave the German word as it is. But in this case, state parliament is appropriate (imho). Any professional translators here? --zeno

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Deutsche Welle uses in its English programme the term "Premier" for "Ministerpräsident". See: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1681951,00.html --Timo

PS: "internal security" means mostly "crime prevention". During election campaigns you may add anti-immigration/anti-immigrants politics, well, not only then :-(.

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The image was from a CSU-Server, I think they are glad having people using their images (voters... ;-))

There is a GNU FDL Picture on the German Wikipedia, maybe someone could take it instead. -80.185.244.138 11:18, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Given Name

Are you sure the name is right? In Germany we only know him as Edmund Stoiber, and "Rüdiger Rudi" sounds very strange because "Rudi" is in fact the short form of "Rüdiger". --80.129.187.171 22:35, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

His name is simply "Edmund Stoiber". "Rüdiger" or even "Rudi" is not mentioned on any official website. --84.154.91.59 14:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Portrait

Is there no Portrait of Stoiber alone? Having Villepin at the top of his page is quite ridiculous, don't you think? Jules LT 18:11, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FDP conservative?

Food for thought. The classification of the FDP as part of Germany's conservative political wing in the "criticisms of Stoiber" section of the article is partly inaccurate if not wholely misleading. Most political scientists would not place the FDP in this category even if they have been the traditional coaltion partner of the CDU/CSU in the last 20 years. I think the article, and the section in particular, would have more accuracy by removing the FDP reference. Anyway. My two cents worth. --Robert Carter 18:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Compare with Oskar Lafontaine

This compare is objectiv wrong. It gives two arguments for that. The first is: Mr. Lafontaine is more left as Mr. Stoiber is right, and the second is: both are not coming from the end of the political spectrum. This would mean, that Eddie is rightextrem and Ossie is leftextrem. This is wrong. Ede is really not rightextrem, he´s conservative. And Ossi is even really far left, but extrem? I don´t think so! He isn´t a communist and was many years in the SPD!

Xcuse me for the bad English!

[edit] The infamous August 2005 campaign speech

I could have sworn he said something really stupid about eastern Germans while giving a speech in Schwandorf, Oberpfalz, not Baden-Wuerttemburg, and that's what got him in some hot water. --Texmandie 14:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stoiber's fate is Viktor Orban's replay: bavarians learn from huge hungarian mistake!

I wish the general bavarian population would spend a minute to look at the situation in Hungary since 2002. They will note the striking similarity. The conservative hungarian PM Viktor Orbán was daemonized by the vastly opposition-leaning (liberal and ex-communist financed) media and turned people against him based on few personal attitude issues, like Orban's fancy of celebrations, everybody forgetting about his undeniable and well visible ecomomic and development achievements, first in almost 25 years!

Orban was sacked in the 2002 elections and then came two ex-communists PMs, who both admitted in most vulgar style to not doing anything and vastly fucking up state matters in their four-year term 2002-2006 (someone taped and leaked their close-quarters speeches). Yet, they refused to step down and the country of Hungary is now in economic and political turmoil and the ex-commie + libertine party gov't is now imposing huge tax increases to regain what they stole and wasted between 2002-2006. Mr. Viktor Orban remains diabolized in press and TV as heavily as ever.

Mr. Stoiber may be a disturbing or unsymphatetic person, but he led Bavaria to prosperity, way above Germany's average, BMW cars grow on trees and dogs pass beer there, almost. Seen from outside, current Bavaria is a fairy-tale princedom, who would not wish to live there? Dump him, why? What can be more important than prosperity?

Just because a young lady has hysteria, bavarians should not buy into an unknown new leader who may wreck the country quite easily. The Merkel witch, who is the main driving force behind killing off Stoiber is on the same poitical agenda as the hungarian ex-communist - libertine party alliance. They are on short leash control from the middle east and USA, would lick Bush's feet voluntarily. Competent, prosperity-bringing european leaders are not in isamerica's interest! 193.226.227.153 21:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Education - failing in the early years

Stoiber failed Latin in 7th grade at High School and hat to repeat the year. http://www.wissen.de/wde/generator/wissen/ressorts/geschichte/zeitgeschehen/index,page=1309532.html

There's nothing wrong about saying this. It only shows that Stoiber still could reach a lot in life although he had problems in school as a teenager! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.204.216.246 (talk) 11:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism on Stoiber

I have the feeling that a cleanup of this section is needed, e.g., Angela Merkel's position on fiscal policy etc. is described in only a few words, without any references. This does not seem to meet Wikipedia standards. --Abrech (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2008 (UTC)