User talk:Edkollin

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[edit] June 2007

[edit] Splatter film

Please do not add commercial material to Wikipedia, as you did to Splatter film. While objective prose about products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Thank you. (Diff) (Diff)

Would the event not be advertising and therefore acceptable after the event is completed? The reason for putting the event in was to show that an event devoted to this topic at the Museum of the Moving Image as would any event at that well known locale demonstrates some sort of cultural significance or acceptance. And please if you are going to warn give me the courtesy of your user name so I may reply Edkollin 20:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Amy Winehouse

Hi there. re your message. I'm really sorry if you think I have been deliberately targeting your edits, maybe that is how it is coming across to you, but I can assure you that is not the case, I don't take note of who's edit it is. All I am trying to do on this biography article is keep it from having an overly negative slant. The press in the UK is absolutely appalling, they are well known for building people up and then take great delight in knocking them down. So I really haven't been targeting you in particular, just what I believe are non notable overly negative 'suspect' claims. Foreign press like ABC only repeat what the British press write. Same as say news articles on Britney Spears in the UK are just repeats of what the US press print. Personally I try to avoid at all costs tabloid articles especially on biography articles and use a rule of thumb, would an encylopedia include that information? Anyway, thanks for contacting me, best to get these things out in the open. All the best :) Sue Wallace (talk) 22:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I am going to have to disagree with you there. Just because an item of gossip/news appears on the internet/newspapers etc does not mean it should automatically go into a biographical article on wikipedia, it is up to us to be selective about what we include. The tour manager allegations have been in several British tabloids I can assure you, the main ones being The Sun and the Daily Mail. Regarding references in biographies, bio. guidelines clearly state that the most controversial statements should have 100% reliable sources, and that is what we should stick to whether it is someone we personally like or not. Believe it or not many, many groups and musicians have taken drugs but on their biographies you wont necessarily find much written about it, that is because it should not unduly weigh the article. I think we should add anything further on the article talk page. I hope we can reach an agreement because I don't like getting into conflicts with other editors, otherwise I will refer it to WP:BLP/N and let them decide. Sue Wallace (talk) 12:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Agree with talk page and not wanting to get into conflicts Edkollin (talk) 17:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revised 9/11 Conspiracy theory

I think you did a pretty good job. You can see I have already made changes. You can revise it on my user page. Tony0937 (talk) 06:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is another mainstream media article about the "other side" of 9-11. http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=2948e9ba-df6a-4785-9ba2-180a4720e918&p=1 I need to find the full text.Tony0937 (talk) 21:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is another http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=480683 Tony0937 (talk) 01:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I really appreciate your efforts at consensus. I think it will take a while. There are a lot of good people in the world and it is my belief that you are one of them. Tony0937 (talk) 05:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Back to Black

Hiya, just wanted your imput on this, what do you think of the long UK album credit list on the Back to Black album page? I honestly think it ruins the whole article (which was looking so much better than it was, thanks to you in particular), so I removed it (being bold), citing it as unnecessary list-cruft, and it was re-instated immediately, I can't believe it, looked at loads of other album articles and none have huge ugly lists on theirs. Sue Wallace (talk) 23:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] List of terrorist incidents‎

Hi Edkollin,
before removing the claim about Musharaf as suspect in the Bhutto assassination, I've read the NY Times article down and up, but could find any citation about that. However, following recent reports it seems to be "vapor ware" anyway: Al-Qaeda claims Bhutto killing, Al-Qaida bekennt sich zu Mord an Bhutto. A happy new year (no irony). -- Túrelio (talk) 08:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inside Job

Hi Ed - saw this comment about Michael Meacher. Agree with you he shouldn't be added. But I was curious to see you said "LIHOP, not "inside job"". I've always thought "inside job" includes LIHOP theories. Interestingly, the inside job article agrees with your definition ("committed by"), but dictionary.com agrees with mine ("committed by or in collusion with"). The line between LIHOP and MIHOP is very blurred I think, but the line between "inside job" and negligence/foreign involvement theories, is crystal clear - when insiders with foreknowledge made a conscious decision not to stop them. Be good to hear your thoughts on this. Corleonebrother (talk) 20:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. So, using your example, it would be collusion ("inside job") if Shafig supported Osama's plans and told Bush so that he would stand-down security, defenses etc, but not collusion ("not inside job") if Shafig told Bush so that he would do something to stop it. I guess that makes sense - the chain of collusion being broken, as it were, by Shafig not colluding as well. So, my definition of the line between "inside job" and "not inside job" is wrong, it should be: when insiders with foreknowledge made a conscious decision not to stop them and there was collusion (i.e. a secret agreement between the "attacker" and insiders willing to help). I understand why you said "LIHOP, not inside job" now. Sorted.
However, I would say that both examples you give are LIHOP, since the attacks were not "made to happen" by the insiders in either case; they were Osama's idea and would have happened without insider help (though may not have been successful). I think MIHOP requires that the insiders said "Hey Osama, we've got something we'd like you to do...". So, if this is correct, some LIHOP theories are also "inside job" theories, while other LIHOP theories are not "inside job" theories. Damn, this is a complicated subject. Its all semantics of course and like you say, all treason. Corleonebrother (talk) 19:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Amy Winehouse

Please note I've taken the question of using sources such as The Sun and other British tabloid/gossip rags for additions to this article to the reliable sources noticeboard for advice on this issue. There is little reliable information in such publications and amount to little more reliability than the National Enquirer or other sensationalistic publications. Wikipedia has a responsibility in biographies of living persons to put forth only material that does not expose it to liability for its truthfulness. Additions such as the supposition that she may be divorcing him, gleened from The Sun, isn't reliable to publish. Please don't add what amounts to gossip, even if The Sun did print it. Additionally, as I note someone has brought up before, the addition of every aspect of the daily lives of Winehouse (and her husband) has a tendency to give it undue weight. The article is about Winehouse, her husband has no page on Wikipedia, so his every legal issue does not need to be reprinted here. It is our responsibility to present only completely factual biographies. Thank you. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Amy Winehouse/The Sun & British tabloids regarding using The Sun and similar tabloids as sources for article inclusion. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I can understand your desire to get things in articles as soon as possible, but I've been involved in other articles where attempts to use tabloid sources such as the National Enquirer, The Star, etc. were made and I knew that those sources weren't allowed on Wikipedia due to the unreliability of them and, as another editor commented, there were far too many cases wherein the tabloid admitted to making up stories, losing lawsuits because of it. I also know how stringent Wikipedia tries to be in avoiding liable from what is printed here in biographies of living persons. I guess my concern is to try and temper timeliness with long-term validity, as well as trying to avoid sensationalism and giving the daily lives of celebrities more weight than their performances.
I did edit the additions you made tonight. You may want to rephrase material from sources a bit more than what is in the articles as to avoid copyright issues. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Forrest from the trees

I may not agree with certain ways you want to edit the article but I have never questioned that your intent and I would expect that of you. I did not find that in these remarks ”I believe that the editor knows that tabloids aren't reliable but just wants to include every bit of info around”. Speaking of Wikipedia Guidelines that is a violation of Good Faith.

If you would re-check, those were not my words, they were left on my talk page by someone else. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. There are larger issues about the article now. I'm trying to get someone to address what's happened, but so far, no one seems to want to take on a former administrator on behavior. Ah well. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Amy Winehouse

As a regular contributor to the Amy Winehouse article, you are invited to join the editing process of the article's personal life and controversy sections, temporarily located here. For discussion on recent issues, go here. For current discussions, go here.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Norman Mineta

Dear Edkollin,

I would welcome any improvements you could make to my proposal at Talk:9/11#Norman Mineta testimony issue !  — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 06:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)