Talk:Edith Stein

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[edit] EB Article

We have a problem here: this article is clearly derived from the EB article, with most formulations copied verbatim. I'll start to change the most egregious ones. The other contributions of User:ClaudeMuncey need to be checked as well. AxelBoldt 12:16 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

There was a specific reason Hitler ordered the arrest of all so-called "non-Aryan" Catholics in the Netherlands. I'm adding it. What defines an Aryan? What is the "EB article?" --Maryevelyn 03:59, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

On what basis can Edith Stein be labelled a "feminist"? - Nunh-huh 04:04, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Missing in the article on Edith Stein

A list of Edith Stein's main works is missing in the article. Her main work, Finite and Eternal Being (Endliches und Ewiges Sein), written after becoming a Carmelite, should be mentioned. It is an important synthesis of modern phenomenology and medieval scholastisism (Thomas Aquinas, Duns Scotus). Helge Erik Solberg (heesolbe@online.no)

[edit] Saint Teresa Benedicta or Saint Edith Stein?

The article says that she was "known after her reception into the Carmelite Order as Teresa Benedicta of the Cross and canonized under the latter name in 1998". Is that true? While she was still only "Blessed", she was referred to as "Blessed Teresa Benedicta of the Cross", but I think that when she was canonized, she was referred to as "Saint Edith Stein". Not that there was any Church ruling on it – it just happened that way. Does anyone know if my impression is correct? Ann Heneghan (talk) 22:31, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Although gets called Saint Edith Stein, I think Saint Teresa Benedicta of the Cross is more correct and official because it is the name used in her canonization homily [1] by Pope John Paul II and in an apostolic letter [2] about making her co-patroness of Europe the year after. GhostGirl 19:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Some suggestions about formatting can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints. They may help answer some "Saint" questions. :) Elonka 04:27, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
It's not a big issue. Saint Bernadette of Lourdes was probably formally canonised as "Saint Marie Bernarde", her religious name in the convent at Nevers, but she's universally known by her baptismal name Bernadette. JackofOz 05:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Polish Saint?

Edith Stein was born in Breslau, Germany, she was German of Jewish religion, converted to Catholicism, the pope canonized her as co-patroness of Europe.

Yet Wikipedia states: Edith Stein was a Polish saint. Why ??? MG 3/22/2006

Good question! Any answers out there? Dr. Dan 15:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably, some Pole confused his dreams with reality.

217.85.110.56 23:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Breslau, Gemany is now Wroclaw, Poland.There you have it. And I'm Polish, thanks very much. Eddisford 23:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some clean-up

Redacted the "martyr" controversy at the end, which had started to wander; it still needs at least one valid citation. (The deleted link was not specific.) Also cleaned up that opening paragraph. Since the article title is "Edith Stein," the article should begin with that name. This way the paragraph can flow smoothly and concisely from her birth to canonization. The best way to deal with the was-she-a-German-or-Polish-saint question is not to use either. J M Rice 04:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renunciation of faith at 13?

I thought that was a bit of a stretch, and did a Google search. EWTN, of all places, does not mention a renunciation of faith, only that she converted some years later, and Catholic Education says something similar (she no longer practiced). The Vatican claims a conscious giving up of religion, but does not date it; it is most certainly a later recollection, as it is an attributed quote.

Only American Catholic adds an active voice to this, and frankly, it seems a little too sensational in the interests of justifying her sainthood through a life that was apparently more than ordinary.

Are there any objections to removal of that sentence based on a lack of tangible evidence to support the specificity of the claim? MSJapan 00:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there are. Although I don't know any English source there are many German-language sources confirming this fact like this one. Besides, it doesn't seem too sensational because there is really nothing sensational about this.--Sokrat3000 09:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I should restate: in effect, this is a question of semantics - there is a big difference between "stopped practicing religion" and "renounced faith". The article says the latter, which I think is a pretty major thing for someone to do at the age of 13, and that claim of 13 is not supported by any English sources, not even the Vatican. Nor is it supported by your German citation - the link gives no solid dates regarding her atheism, and no dated indication that that happened at any point prior to 1922.
I find this article (listed in your citation) interesting, and I will follow up on it when I am at the library, but I figured I would point it out, because it may have a different claim. Carroll, James. 1999. “The Saint and the Holocaust: In canonizing Edith Stein, has the Church misrepresented her life, and history?”, The New Yorker 7.6.1999, S. 52-57.
And James Carroll has a book on this subject as well, available from Powell's here. So, there's probably more to this. Now, I may or may not be right, but there's certainly more to this. MSJapan 10:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
One other quick note - atheist or not, Edith Stein was still considered Jewish (as far as anybody on either side was concerned) until she converted. MSJapan 10:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edith-Stein Zentrum, Balingen

Just an additional note: there is a kindergarten in the Edith-Stein Zentrum, in Balingen Germany, in addition to the schools mentioned in the main article.

[edit] Volunteered to die?

I vaguely remember hearing that she asked to die first before others in the camp. --Gbleem 13:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I think that you are thinking of Maximilian Kolbe who came forward to die in place of a man who had a family. T.E. Goodwin 20:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Order by Hitler

It seems unlikely to me that Hitler made a retaliatory order to arrest monks and nuns of Jewish descent. I think this order is more likely to have been made by Arthur_Seyss-Inquart, the head of the (Dutch) Gestapo, or Hanns Albin Rauter. Andries 02:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

St. Edith Stein should redirect here.Catholic monarchist 15:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)