Talk:Edie Sedgwick
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[edit] Copy Vio
A long article by Patrick J. Webster called "In The Factory: Dylan and Warhol's World" in the anthology "All Across The Telegraph: A Bob Dylan Handbook", edited by Michael Gray and Jon Bauldie (Sidgwick & Jackson, 1987), makes the case that the subject of Like A Rolling Stone was Warhol's actress Edie Sedgwick and the diplomat was Andy Warhol.
In his book "The Philosophy of Andy Warhol" (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1975) Warhol recalled people suggesting to him that the song included an attack on him:
"I'd get answers like "I hear he [Dylan] feels you destroyed Edie" or "Listen to Like A Rolling Stone - I think you're the diplomat on the chrome horse, man." I didn't know exactly what they meant by that - I never listened to the words of songs - but I got the tenor of what people were saying, that Dylan didn't like me, that he blamed me for Edie's drugs."
Whatever the truth of it, the song is a very good match for Edie's life up to then!
- Note: this article is mostly an exact copy of the Edie Sedgwick bio on the myspace.com fansite (http://groups.myspace.com/ediesedgwick/). However, looking at the edit history of this article shows it was built up over time in multiple edits, so I think that either the Myspace article is copied from wikipedia, or the same author wrote both. Therefore I have not tagged it as a copyvio, however, that remains a possibility. Thatcher131 20:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bio style
The biography section is not written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia entry. Note particularly the first and second-to-last sentences. I've tagged it accordingly. Jonathan F 00:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
In response, I have removed what I have always felt was not appropriate for your article. De Forest 05:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Where does the "sexual abuse" statement come from? I would suspect that it is "hearsay" and not worthy of being in this article. (I removed it only to find someone put it right back.) If it came from Jean Stein, it should be considered suspect - her whole book was based on hearsay and memories. De Forest 05:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Factory Girl
The film "Factory Girl" has Edie saying that her great-great-great uncle was a signer of the Declaration of Independance. Perhaps Edie said that, but then she did not know her history: William Ellery was her 3rd-great grandfather; Robert Sedgwick, 8th child of Judge Theodore Sedgwick and Pamela (Dwight) Sedgwick married Ellizabeth Dana Ellery, daughter of William Ellery and Abigail (Shaw) Ellery; their daughter Henrietta Ellery Sedgwick married Henry Dwight Sedgwick II (her 1st cousin) the son of Henry Dwight Sedgwick (Robert Sedgwick's brother); they had a son named Henry Dwight Sedgwick III (the scholar and writer) who was Edie's grandfather. De Forest 03:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Other family history
Did you know that Edie Sedgwick could also claim to be a descendent of Col. Robert Gould Shaw, of "Glory" fame? Her father was the grandson of Susanna Shaw, Shaw's sister, and Robert Browne Minturn. That would make her Robert Gould Shaw's great niece and Susanna's great grand daughter. Talk about an amazing gene pool!
According to one source[1], her family background is even more rich: "She could trace her family history to the Mayflower and claimed a bank account overflowing with money made from her grandfather's invention of the elevator". I have no idea how reliable the source is, though. CrashRiley 17:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Edie's grandfather did not invent the elevator; her only relationship to the "elevator" was a distant ancestral cousin who had a plant up the Hudson that specialized in "dumb waiters" and also made elevators. Furthermore, Edie inherited a very small trust fund from her grandfather that never could have susidized her lavish lifestyle. She loved to play the "rich girl" act to the hilt, but she was never rich by any means. The family once bailed her out of her huge debt, and she did use up the small capital in her trust fund. "Factory Girl" wrongly perpetuates the myth that Edie was rich. User:De Forest/De Forest 04:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV tag
I'm wary of the neutrality of this article. The tone, amongst other things, is all over the place; other than the fact it's poorly cited, the section describing her years with Bob Dylan and Co. seems to delve into a long winded critique/rebuttal of the latest film portrayal of Ms. Sedgwick's life that doesn't belong here (at least in not such detail). Qjuad 02:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Photographs?
Could someone find photographs of Edie Sedgwick that are suitable for use here? There are a few here, but I don't know if they are public domaine or not: http://amanoutoftime.livejournal.com/600411.html?mode=reply
[edit] Questionable line
"She first gained enormous popularity due to online communities such as [2], [3], among others." -- I moved this questionable line here because (A) It appears to be an ad, (B) There's no cite for this claim, (C) Sedgwick is not "enormously popular" now, and her level of popularity was probably about the same in the 1960's and 1970's. If you want to put this back in the article please provide reliable cites for this info. -- 201.51.231.176 07:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Filmography
I don't know how to format this, sorry. But many of the links under Filmography are false-- misdirected or just broken.
[edit] Major Edits
I changed a bit on the Edie Sedgwick article because it's directly copied & pasted from the warholstars.org bio page on Edie. It's a good page but, it's basically an opinion of Edie. Overall, this article seems a bit weird in it's styling.
I also changed the Filmography section because it didn't have a lot of the films Edie appeared in and the redirects weren't correct.
I'd edit/rewrite more but, I'm unsure how to properly credit sources and references. I tried to remain as neutral and factual as possible so, when I finally figure out how to credit sources, I hope to rewrite this page a bit more.
Pinkadelica 04:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality Dispute
I've noticed that this article has been in dispute since Feb of '07. If no one has a problem with it, I'd like to rewrite it. Most of it is copied straight from the Warholstars.org page so I think a complete rewrite is in order. I've got plenty of sources, so if no one objects, I'll rewrite this sometime in the next 30 days. Pinkadelica 06:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
