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A welcome from Sango123

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Happy Wiki-ing!

-- Sango123 (talk) 21:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything or simply wish to say hello. :)

Welcome from the Wikichemists

Hi Edgar181, Thanks for your already extensive contributions to the heterocycles pages, which all seem to be of high quality. You already seem to have found your way around remarkably well (much better than I did at first), but I have a list of useful chemistry pages you might find helpful. I'd also like to encourage you to consider joining us at WP:Chem where we coordinate writing chemical compound articles, sign up under Participants. We are a friendly group, and we track and assess the articles very carefully, see our worklist and our assessment criteria. Thanks again, keep up the good work, and happy wiki-ing. Walkerma 03:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I'd be happy to help out with the chemistry wikiproject. I've been adding and improving articles mostly according to my own (perhaps quirky) interests in organic chemistry, but I can certainly contribute to the more focused project too. Edgar181 17:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

pDCB edit conflict

No problem, that happens from time to time! I am trying to clear out Category:Organic compounds into subcategories, with a bit of article cleanup at the same time. Keep up your good work, Physchim62 (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Brackets around R and S phrases

Hi Edgar181, The brackets around the R and S phrases are hover links rather than regular links. If you hold the cursor over this: R22 it should say Harmful if swallowed. They are curly brackets {{R22}}. I'm not sure where I found out about this or where it is documented. It probably was by looking at someone else's edits. Welcome to Wikipedia and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals. ChemGardener 12:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I see it now. I guess I haven't been patient enough to hold my mouse in place for 2 seconds. Edgar181 13:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paper chromatography of amino acids

Could you please reconsider your vote? I think it would fine at Wikibooks. - Mgm|(talk) 13:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, done. Transwiki seems best. Edgar181 15:54, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Caffeine

Thanks for the cleanup. :) – ClockworkSoul 20:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. You did a great job improving the article, so "Thanks" to you too. Edgar181 20:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
My pleasure. I hope to get it to featured article quality when I have the time. – ClockworkSoul 05:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

RfC

i have filed an RfC concerning the behavior of User:Allabout2006 and his socks at Alkyl nitrites which can be found here. comments would be appreciated. thanks. --Heah talk 04:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

"Chemical"

Hi,

I went to upload my revision of the POV on chemical substance, and I saw you had beaten me to it. The debate of chemical vs chemical substance is an old one on Wikipedia; indeed that page was called "Chemical" with a redirect from "Chemical substance" at one time. I made a case then that the word chemical carries connotations of being "bad" among the general public, and claiming that chemical = chemical substance is to ignore popular usage. Since I had already composed a neutral comment to that effect ro remove the same POV comment you deleted, I uploaded this. Please take a look and feel free to edit or remove it as you see fit! Cheers, Walkerma 18:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


"Consistent deletion of valid links"

I see you've been busy deleting any links I'd added re. the potential efficacy of certain herbs and cancer! Please note that these links are not to a private homepage and I am not in the business of advertising myself or any product. As a professional writer and researcher (and cancer patient), I am only interested in providing certain information for free on the internet. That’s part of what internet is about. Likewise wikipedia, or so I thought. I wonder if you have visited the site in question. It's not trying to sell anything at all. Just trying to be helpful. A link seems to be valid.

I well understand that if everyone started adding links to articles, it would become too much. But most sites have some kind of self-promotional or commercial agenda. Genuine additions of material seems valid to me, and most articles do contain such links.

Anyhow, my time is precious, and if you insist on deleting all additions I make, then I'll cease to contribute. You win. But is that what Wikipedia is all about?

JohnDavidson

First of all, I'm sure you've noticed that I am not the only one who removed the links to that site. That link was added to many articles over the last couple of days (presumably by you, before you created a userid) and in each case the link was quickly removed by one editor or another. The consensus clearly is that your link was not appropriate for Wikipedia. I can't speak for the others, but I did visit the site and did not think that it had a particular commercial agenda. I am a cancer survivor myself and wouldn't want to deny information about treatment options to anyone, but Wikipedia simply cannot be a forum for personal views. There are other, much better outlets for that. Lastly, I'm not trying to "win" anything and certainly don't insist on deleting all contributions you make - you are assuming too much about me in suggesting that. Please feel free to continue to add content to Wikipedia, as long as you're comfortable with the inevitability that others will edit, alter, or even remove some of it. Edgar181 15:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Treasure hunt

Edgar181,

Thank you for joining in, you're the current leader! Out of two, but anyway... The point of this page is to make myself a better wikipedian. Mouthing off in an edit summary is a really bad idea, and now I'll be more aware of when I do it. Not to mention that it's easy to cherry pick, since it has the highest multiplier.

Thanks again,
brenneman(t)(c) 04:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Aluminum

Nice cleanup! Sillybilly 01:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


afd

Hey did I do that afd wrong? What does it mean when you say it is orphaned? Kukini

There is a three step procedure for nominating an article for deletion. See Template:AfD_in_3_steps. Unless I'm mistaken, you only did the first step, in which case there will be no page created for the deletion debate to occur. In this case, though, I added a speedy deletion tag, which is an easier process but has stricter conditions. If this doesn't make sense, just let me know. Edgar181 16:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Brookie here

Thanks for sorting out my little vandal friend! Brookie :) - a collector of little round things! (Talk!) 16:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Edgar181 17:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians Talk

RE: Edits by 217.33.74.20

This user seems to be making useless edits. Thanks Edgar181, after I made two corrections, I was about to go back and revert it back a few, but got caught up trying to revert 217.33.74.20's Sodium edit...then looks like you beat me to it. Thanks. therearenospoons 12:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes it's just hard keeping up with reverting the vandalism. Thanks for your help. Edgar181 12:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

EFA Diagram

Edgar181
Thanks for the offer to improve the diagram for the EFA page in the Nomenclature section. Linolenic_acid has a good figure of α-linolenic acid. I'd have used it as an example, but it's Ω-3 18:3 and would have led to confusion between the Ω-3 position and the 3 double bonds. So I chose stearidonic acid. If you can generate a comprable diagram, I'd appreciate it - the fixed-font ASCII isn't pretty. David.Throop 22:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

OK. I created an image for stearidonic acid and a stub article for it too. Hope this helps. If you would like others, just ask and I'd be happy to do more. Edgar181 14:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


2-Pyrrolidone

The picture is missing? Was this always so or did it dissapeare because of deletion?Stone 22:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

When I created the article, I was using a computer that doesn't have chemical drawing software. I forgot to go back later and add the picture. Thanks for noticing and reminding me. I'll add it in shortly. Edgar181 23:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

hi====hi

Hi. thx for the guidance and teaching. I'm currently working on a project about some chemicals like: caffeine, inositol, chitosan, psyllium, and etc. please let me know if you need some material. thx. Tasfan 04:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Also Created Heptanol PNG

Sometimes it is realy stupid to work offline and to draw a picture and than to go back online and the picture has already been uploaded. I have always to decide between hate anger and the wish to through my computer out of the window, or the happines and the great feeling that other also do a good job and that Wikipedia is there for on the best way. And than the decision is easy and I like the people who are a little bit faster than me! Next time I will be take the advantage of my timezone and be faster!Stone 14:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

It is OK! I creat other images which are needed! Thanks!Stone 21:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey med chem

Med chem here too. I used to work for Merck. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 02:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there are many of us here. You're the first I've "met". Edgar181 11:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

3-Methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase deficiency

Good catch. The two pages are now merged. --Arcadian 16:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Ephedrine Image

Thank you for pointing out the faults of the image. Stereochemistry didn't even occour to me (that was pretty stupid on my part, hah hah). I re-did the image for stereochemistry, saved it in PNG, and tried to address the thicker bonds issue (I do agree - it looks better). Hopefully the new .png image will due a lot more nicely than the non-stereochemical .jpg.

Again, thanks for pointing that out.--Ddhix 2002 20:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

That one looks good. Sorry about that, again. I should probably get some sleep within the next couple of hours, since my brain is turning to mush.

What program are you using for the drawing? I like the appearance of those better than what MDL Is/Is Draw does.--Ddhix 2002 21:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Judicial Tyranny

Could you please review the older version Judicial tyranny article, which I have reinstated in response to the deletion nomination, which I believe resolves the objections to the current, quite inappropriate, article. Judge Magney 16:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Tawkerbot2

Well, everything is logged in MySQL so grabing stats should be as simple as writing a SQL query for the paramaters. -- Tawker 19:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: New fatty acid images

Nice job with the illustrations of Stearidonic and ALA - I really like the blue / red way of showing the α and ω numbering. If you're feeling ambitious, several related pages could use your skills:

Thanks David.Throop 00:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Very nice labeling indeed - the red/blue notation reconciles the 2 nomenclature systems very clearly. Who knows? one day we may see laymen and journalists making casual references correctly. Istvan 01:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Kermes mineral, Kermite and medicinal uses of antimony

Hello, I seem to be working on the Kermese mineral and Kermite. Should I include a table to the antimony page that clarifies the uses of antimony compunds in the history of medicine? I was not sure how pertinent that would be to the antimony article or whether I should just restrict the information that is applicable to Kermes mineral. As you can tell, chemistry is not my field.

Nitriles are not all bad

Dear Edgar 181, if you have the inclination, it would be nice to have a medicinal chemist mention any nitrile-containing drugs on the cyanide page. I think that readers should know that even though HCN and NaCN etc are very unhealthy indeed, that CN groups per se are not always bad. --Smokefoot 05:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

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Sucrose Article

Dear Edgar181,

The reason I reinserted the edit on this page is to give credibility to a mock trial that a group that I am part of has to do for a chemistry class. The mock trial is tomorrow and we get extra credit in our group if we can "BS" the other group about thier subject. The "defendant" group is defending sucrose's place as "the best known soluble substance in water." Our group, the "plaintiff" is "bringing suit" to claim NaCl as the substance that should be known as the "common person's compound of choice when it comes to describing the solubility of a substance in water". Our group, the NaCl people, can get extra points if we can BS about sucrose. Getting to the point, I was wondering if you could allow that edit to stand until tomorrow afternoon, so that we can get some extra credit and have a better chance of passing this class! Please help! Thank you. 198.110.32.2 19:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I couldn't possibly see using such a trivial reason as that to leave inaccurate information in an encyclopdia article. --Ed (Edgar181) 19:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you can offer us some assitance then? What should our main argument be for NaCl being better at describing solubility in water? We were thinking that it is easier for a "common person" to understand because the solubility of NaCl does not change (much) with temperature, while sucrose solubility in water does. Having one less variable is always good when trying to explain something, right? 198.110.32.2 19:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, debate strategy is not exactly my strong point, but I would probably try to argue that exposure to salt solutions when at the beach, or swimming in the ocean is a much more personal experience than any kind of experience with sugar solutions. --Ed (Edgar181) 19:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the input! We didn't think of that one! We were also wondering what your personal opinion, as a PhD chemist, about NaCl versus Sucrose as a compound used for describing solubility in water? Do you think that sucrose is the best substance to use in order to describe solubility to a "lay person", or do you feel that NaCl is better to use when describing solubility? One more question (if you don't mind!): What would the world be like if NaCl were insoluble in water? Thanks much. 198.110.32.2 19:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't think it would make much difference when describing solubilty to a "lay person" whether I used salt or sugar as an example. This is probably why you have this question to debate. Since there isn't a clear answer to the question, the "winner" of your debate will depend on your debating skills, rather than the science. To answer your last question, life as we know it wouldn't exist if NaCl were not soluble in water - sodium cations are essential to the transmission of signals through nerve cells. --Ed (Edgar181) 20:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info!

I was unaware of using the tildes to show your signature after editing a page, as I thought that Wiki did this for you automatically. Just goes to show you that us rank amateurs like me need all the help we can get.

The other links you provided should prove to be helpful also. Now, lets see if I can get this signature thing to work right. TomHawkey 13:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


Success!!! Thanks again! TomHawkey 13:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome message

Hi, Ed. Thanks for your warm welcome message. It's quite encouraging to see people paying attention to what you do. I'm currently working on the isoquinoline article, wich was only a little bit more than a table. I saw it was listed as a stub on the WP:Chem compound goal list, so I chose it as a start. When I'm done, I'll let you know, so you can help me bring it out of the stub state.

Thanks again. --Nevermore78 20:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Edgar!

Hi Edgar, how's it going? I just received your message. Its nice to know that there are live people in the universe and not automatic joining messages. I think Wikipedia is great as I use it for every one of my reports. Im currently thinking of making a new addition to one of the Pikmin or Runescape pages.

Thanks Edgar! Bulbear 287 18:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

High-C

I was wondering why you are trying to delete the High-C entry? The criteria, I believe, was two indy releases? Those criteria were met. What is your reasoning? Jason Gortician 22:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, WP:BAND says, "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." I don't see High-C meeting that criteria. If you disagree with me, that's fine. Feel free to make a different recommendation than me at the article's AFD; your opinion counts just as much as mine. --Ed (Edgar181) 23:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

hi

Hi Ed. Thanks for your comment on my talk page. Very surprised that you'd notice a new wiki member, especially so quickly. Just curious - how did you find me?

Anyway, I drew a picture using ChemSketch on the synthesis of benzoic acid on its page benzoic acid. Any comments? Is it too involved for the non-Chemist?

I had misgivings about that entire section, because there seems not much point in synthesizing such an easily available product. Also because there are so many different routes to benzoic acid. None of these routes are important industrially.Rifleman 82 21:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome message

Hi Edgar. Thanks for your welcome message. I've been around here for a while, I just was trying to get used with the interface. However I really need all the help I can get because I don't know everything about Wikipedia. However I'll try to keep on the 'minor constructive' changes so I can do at least something for this special and important project.

I'll start to translate some articles from english to spanish because It's very sad to see fewer articles in spanish and other languages. However, I really would like to people request the translation of an article on something like this talk page. Is that possible?.

Again thanks a lot for your welcome message. Gives me the courage to keep helping and learn Wikipedia to help even more. Thanks.

*-FjjF-* 03:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

  • -FjjF-* - Thanks

Hi Edgar. You know, I was reading the "Wikipedia" article and I found some cursing on the article (vandalism). How can I report that kind of activity and who should I contact. Other thing is, how can I now what user did that so I can report him.

Thanks a lot. *-FjjF-* 17:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

 Thank You!

J.Steinbock






Thank you for your kind message. J.Steinbock (Talk)

Thanks for your answer...

Thanks for your answer it was really helpful.

Again Thanks *-FjjF-* 14:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Ed (Edgar181) 14:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Viagra

Ha, I did the same things! (Well, I tried adding it to the blacklist requests, but it didn't show up for some reason). I was considering adding those IPs to the proxy check as well to prevent them from doing harm in the future. On the bright side, it's giving a nice boost to our edit count, right? OhNoitsJamieTalk 17:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Edgar, Thanks for the Welcome. I have a question regarding the fair use of rasmol or jmol images created from the rcsb database. Can I upload these to wikipedia fairly? I was interested in doing some more adds to the GPCR site as structural details are sorely lacking. Thanks so much,Kris User Sterichinderance April 25,2006

SCOTW

You contributed to the Science Collaboration of the Week that has just ended its run:

Orion Nebula - See improvements

Thanks, and let's keep improving it so it may become a Featured Article!

Deryck C. 11:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Protecting group ketal vs acetal

While it's technically correct that a ketone becomes a ketal and an aldehyde becomes an acetal according to the original meanings of the words, "acetal" has become a generic term for both. DMacks 22:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


Platique (disambiguation)

I've assumed that was really Plastique (disambiguation) and moved it. --Blowdart 18:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

D'oh! --Ed (Edgar181) 18:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
And to show off even more I also corrected the same mistake on Plastique. It's always fun when you're consistent! --Blowdart 18:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Methyl isocyanate edit

Thanks for putting the alternate methods of MIC back in. Why would anyone want to remove it? Oldsci 18:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Just vandalism, I guess. --Ed (Edgar181) 18:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Science barnstar

The E=MC² Barnstar
In recognition of your creation of many (100-150) comprehensive and concise articles to chemical compounds, I award you this barnstar.ßlηguγΣη

Thanks!

Thank you for the kind welcome Edgar181. I hope I'll be able to contribute to the Wikipedia website in the future where I see it is needed.

AbsentAbe 16:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (2nd nomination)

You are invited to vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (2nd nomination). All this is is ramblings/blog/rants about Bush. Not encyclopedic, should've been deleted long ago. Happy editing! Morton devonshire 18:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Topicity pages

The pages you added look nice! I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about a unified Topicity page and/or redoing Homotopic groups in the same style as the other two. DMacks 03:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Prank flash

i think you were right first time - it was non-notable junk. Niz 21:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I shouldn't have second guessed myself, then. --Ed (Edgar181) 22:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Correction - Benzocyclobutene

The chemical structure shown on this page is benzocyclobutadiene. Please remove the double bond from the four-membered ring to correct. Thanks.

Thanks for catching the mistake. It's now fixed. --Ed (Edgar181) 13:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Agonism/Agonist

Hi Ed, that sounds totally reasonable. Thing is, I was confused because none of the non-political agonist articles (Agonist (muscle), Inverse agonist), Agonist) make any mention of the term 'agonism', only 'agonist'. So - because I assume you're right about the bio-chemistry application of 'agonism' - I think it'd be cool for you to alter the disambiguation page. But I also reckon it might also be helpful to put 'agonism' into those three articles so as to show that the term does have that scientific application, and that the disambiguation approach you took was appropriate. Cheers - Breadandroses 08:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome

Hey Ed, thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I'm interested in helping out with fighting vandalism, do you have any tips? 0zymandias 15:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for catching my error

Hi Ed... thanks for fixing my trichloroethanol structure, I'm usually pretty good about atom counts but that one slipped by in my rush to contribute. I'll sign up for WikiProject Chemistry and be more careful in the future. Robotsintrouble 05:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome! (Late.)

Thanks for the kind welcome message you gave me a while back. I was going to do this a while ago, but I didn't know how to make a post without it stretching the screen, and I didn't want to ugly up your comment page. (I have a habbit of putting a space at the beginning of my paragraphs, and I didn't know that would change the look of a Wiki post. I now know not to do that.) :)

Thanks again!

AbsentAbe 02:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Wikipedia has a bunch of quirks that everyone has to learn when they first start. --Ed (Edgar181) 19:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Psp authority

No problem. I don't even need to assume good faith to know you weren't trying to vandalise anything. In a related note, I note the creator/anon IP has now gone off to sulk and won't talk to "Edgar" anymore :-) Cheers --Pak21 16:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, he can still talk to this Edgar if he wants to, as long as he doesn't call me an "evil backstabbing liar" anymore. --Ed (Edgar181) 16:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry!

I'm not sure what happened with hope, I usually check vandalism thoroughly before reverting. I'll start looking closer at content before I revert. Thanks for the heads up! DakPowers (Talk) 13:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


eicosane/icosane

You wrote:

I reverted some of the changes he (User:LucioP) made, but left the ones relating to systematic names because the IUPAC preferred name is icosane.

Yeah, I think we were working at the same time - he'd made edits to a bunch of pages on my watchlist. I noticed your revert to one of his (and I used your title for the revert in my own reverts.) When I'd done a few I refreshed my watchlist and noticed that several of them had changed to you as the last author. There was someone else reverting too. I think your note hit the right tone. I don't think he was intentionally vandalizing, just being sloppy or a novice, but he sure did break a bunch of links. David.Throop 00:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Ethylamine image

No problem at all. I read Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Structure drawing workgroup as well, but apparently got something different out of it than you did. Oh well, I'll read it again now. —Mets501talk 20:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for welcoming me aboard Wikipedia! Z-or 23:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I have been working on the Turkish Wikipedia for a while, mostly doing translations, so I already have experience in this environment. My background is in biochemistry and molecular biology and I will be studying the extensive infrastructrure you created for chemical articles. --InfoCan 19:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Need to combine the two 'property' tables in the "Amino Acid" topic

Hi Edgar, would it be possible for you to help in merging data in the two tables (some of which are redundant). I feel it is better to merge both and present a unified table listing all the properties. For those requiring 'Yes' or 'No' could we use numeric of '1' or '0'. This will greatly enable custom programming for protein sequences. Nattu 23:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure yet what the best thing to do is. There is a discussion at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Chemicals, if you would like to join in. --Ed (Edgar181) 10:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

I award thee with this anti-vandalism barnstar, for sometimes it seems impossible getting a revert in edgewise when you're around. Femto 15:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)