User talk:EDGE

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Contents 1 Usenet posts 2 What are you doing? 3 50 Cent 4 Ice coffee 5 Comment...? 6 Pirate island 7 Welcome! 7.1 Additional tips 7.2 Happy Wiki-ing. 8 Star Trek/Babylon 5 9 also... 10 Gmail Invite 11 Karemma 12 Your adminship 13 Fair use Image:Zek.jpg 14 Praise 15 Copied articles from Memory Alpha 16 French in Canada 17 Image Tagging for Image:Miles_O'Brien.jpg 18 Image:Miles O'Brien.jpg 19 Unspecified source for Image:Weyoun.jpg 20 Fair use rationale for Image:Weyoun.jpg 21 Image:Weyoun.jpg listed for deletion 22 Unspecified source for Image:Martok.jpg 23 Fair use rationale for Image:Martok.jpg 24 Unspecified source for Image:Damar.jpg 25 Fair use rationale for Image:Damar.jpg 26 Fair use rationale for Image:Kai Winn.jpg 27 Unspecified source for Image:Zek.jpg 28 Fair use rationale for Image:Zek.jpg 29 Fair use rationale for Image:Jadzia_Dax.jpg 30 Unspecified source for Image:Damar.jpg 31 Non-free use disputed for Image:Damar.jpg 32 Image:Bilby_and_O'brian.jpg 33 Image:Sisko_and_Garak.jpg

[edit] Usenet posts

I am not completely sure but likely "no". By copyright law (my vague recollection of it, from some previous Wikipedia discussion), the person who posts something to usenet has a copyright to his post. So, if you want to follow the copyright laws, you would have to get his permission. (Of course, if you have posted something to usenet yourself, you can still post it to Wikipedia.) You can also ask that on Wikipedia:Village pump which is the usual place for various questions. Andris 22:15, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

And moving pages of other users to funny-sounding locations is considered a vandalism. Don't do that again. Andris 22:18, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

I was trying to get your attention. I'm happy you found it funny! --EDGE 22:19, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Editing User talk:Andris is a better way because that immediately produces "You have new messages" on my screen. Editing or moving User:Andris could stay invisible to myself for a while. Andris 22:28, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] What are you doing?

What on earth are you doing? Why are you moving user pages and talk pages? That's vandalism, and it's guaranteed to get you blocked from editing. If you have a problem with a user let's talk here, at the Village pump, or on my talk page. --Ardonik.talk()^* 20:11, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

I've temp blocked you for a day. If you decide to come back please do not vandalize. You'll find making useful edits a lot of fun, you get to make friends with cool people, have a laugh every now and then and have the satisfaction of having done smething worthwhile. It's actually a lot more fun than vandalizing. Theresa Knott (taketh no rest) 20:19, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 50 Cent

EDGE, what you reverted to in 50 Cent right now is entertaining, but it isn't encyclopedic. It goes into too much detail, adds unnecessary anecdotes and transitions ("things were looking up for 50 Cent"), and fails to treat its subject neutrally and impartially. I think RickK's revert of your edit was right on the money, but if you want your version kept, you're going to have to tone it down and cut out the fatty portions. Read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
I don't know anything about 50 Cent or rap in general, but I'll be glad to act as an impartial outsider if you need someone to proofread and critique your edits to that article.
The text looks professional; did you get it from some magazine or website? --Ardonik.talk()^* 21:42, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

It was acquired from everything2.org (which uses the same license Wikipedia does). You are correct about it not being encyclopedic. I tried to tone down the non-encyclopedic stuff, but I obviously missed quite a few.EDGE 22:10, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

(edict conflict)

Thanks for the note on my user page. I'm glad you've decided to reform :-). A note about 50 cent. Rewriting pages is fine but don't lose the good stuff that's already on the page. In particular you deleted the image that was in the erlier revision. Theresa Knott (taketh no rest) 21:44, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I was not too sure how to use images and so I left it out (hoping someone would add it). I think I will simply add more information to the current article using my posting as a base.EDGE 22:10, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Ardonik explained why I reverted. Plus the fact that you're an untrusted user, I didn't want to take any chances that what you had posted wasn't copyrighted. If it IS from everything2, you HAVE to include a credit, or you're in violation of GFDL. RickK 00:16, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

I will add the everything2 quote as per GFDL policy. What do you mean by "untrusted user"? Is this an official user status, or do you mean to say that you do not trust me? EDGE 00:22, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Your vandalism makes me not trust you until you prove that you can be trusted. RickK 00:23, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Personal attacks don't help your case, and changing another user's Talk page comments is grounds in and of itself to get you blocked from editing. RickK 00:38, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

I can't modify my own talk page? Aren't you the one who unilateraly deletes any anonymous user's comment on your talk page regardless of what it is? You are the most authoritarian administrator I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. What "case" are you refering to? I am not on trial; I have nothing to prove or justify to you. If you want to ban me for modifying my own user page, then do so. If you want to ban me for calling a user a "suck-up", then do so. Otherwise, leave me alone.

You can't modify your own talk page in that way no. We don't allow people to modify other people's comments here.You asked RickK why he reverted you and he told you.If you want to stop talking to RickK that's fine, you can delete his comments from your talk page if you want, but you cannot change what he wrote. As for 50 cent , I think putting "from http://www.everything2.com" in the edit summary will satisfy the licence becasue it will be visible in the page history along with all the other editor's names. Theresa Knott (taketh no rest) 05:30, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ice coffee

Hey EDGE, youre not supposed to write on the user pages. But wikipedians (me included)should not feel too possesive either. ( Afterall this is an open source thing). Anyway I was thingking of building the above (only in Japn) into an article.
Parlez vous francais? Je voudrais estudier encour. Au revoir--Jondel 07:16, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Comment...?

I wasn't aware that I'd removed a comment. Really. If I did, please accept my apology for the mistake and please feel free to replace whatever it was I may have deleted. BTW, I find it not only refreshing but inspiring that someone who was an avowed vandal would come around the way you claim. Do keep up the good work. - Lucky 6.9 02:47, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi, again. Caught your comment on Theresa Knott's user page and I just wanted to thank you for your graciousness. Believe me, I'm the last guy you'll find here going around blanking and deleting things. Drop me a howdy on my user page if I can ever be of any help. Regards, Lucky 6.9 00:29, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC) Oh, and for the record, I'm a he.  :^P

[edit] Pirate island

To answer your question, I go through all the lists of New pages, looking for those that seem to be related to the ones that touch the topics I edit in a regular fashion, in order to make links to and from them. I took a look at pirate island thinking there might be a possible link (to or from ) Private island or even Castaway Cay, or micronation, but no, such links would have been too far-fetched. AlainV 02:18, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

   — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 02:59, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek/Babylon 5

I do like Star Trek but have never seen Babylon 5. If you want help on a few articles, just tell me which ones and I'll be happy to help you. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 03:00, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Great, I'll keep that in mind. Sorry about the caps & such splattered on your talk page; I was in a manic mood at the time. I actually have an important question about image usage & copyrights. Perhaps you can provide some guidance in this respect? My question is posted on the help desk. EDGE 03:05, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] also...

I believe Everything2 is a copyright and Wiki is GFDL...correct me if I'm mistaken. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 03:32, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You are mistaken; E2 is also GFDL! EDGE 04:03, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Gmail Invite

Ahh...I've got 5 invites I don't know what to do with...one's coming right out to you. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 03:45, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks pal. EDGE 04:19, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Karemma

I think this is from Star Trek: Voyager, right? Could you make that clear in the article? RickK 20:05, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

They are from Deep Space 9. I will add clarifications. EDGE 20:06, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Your adminship

Because you're the sort of person who, judging by your contributions and your talk page, would do funny and inappropriate things. I am sure I would enjoy them, but I can't in good faith support someone who would do that for adminship. Nothing personal, you seem like a cool guy. –Andre (talk) 20:47, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use Image:Zek.jpg

In order to better comply with fair use you should put a link to the copyright holder's web page. Also use the template {{fair use}} rather than linking to our article on fair use. Theresa Knott (taketh no rest) 21:16, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

No prob, but instead of linking to Paramount's webpage, can I just link to Paramount Pictures? Less typing. EDGE 22:35, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

Um I'm not sure but I'm inclined to say no. It's better not to use fair use images if you can possibly help it. If you have no other choice (which seems to be the case here) then you should do everything in your power to reduce the risk of the "fair use" being challanged by the copyright holder. The best way to do this IMO (and remember that IANAL) is to reduce the size of the image down to 300px and provide a link to the exact Paramount web page where you go the image from. I know it's a drag but we really should try our best to protect Wikipedia from possible lawsuits. Anyway that's my interpretation of things. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. Theresa Knott (taketh no rest) 08:09, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Praise

EDGE, I'd just like to drop you a line to express my appreciation for the quality of your Star Trek articles, as well as your screen grabs.

If you are open to requests, I'd love to see pix for the Cardassians, the Vorta, the Breen, the Klingons (Worf in a Starfleet uniform is not representative of typical Klingons), and one of President Jaresh-Inyo for the UFP page.

Either way, keep up the good work!--StAkAr Karnak 01:26, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Maybe two Klingon pics -- one old-style and one new-style? RickK 18:29, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Copied articles from Memory Alpha

Hello EDGE, I've noticed that in the past few days you've been copying a large number of articles from Memory Alpha over to Wikipedia. You're apparently not aware that such copying is illegal, because all text of Memory Alpha is copyrighted under a Creative Commons License, and is not compatible with the GFDL which Wikipedia uses. I would strongly suggest that you stop copying these articles wholesale immediately!

The only instances where such copying might be permissible would be where the original author of the text allows the material to be included in Wikipedia. Otherwise, it's not allowed to be copied, because proper credit is not given, and because the CCL that Memory Alpha uses has the "non-commercial" restriction, which conflicts with the GFDL.

Please go back and remove these articles right away. I don't want to make a huge stink about this, and it's great to see people using Memory Alpha as a resource, but we want to make sure that our material is being used properly, okay? Thanks, Dan Carlson 20:17, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

I haven't read a whole lot of Memory Alpha content, because I don't like the idea of two separate Trek Wikis (seems to me it'd be better for everyone to pool efforts into one work).

What I have seen of the site, I think should be incorporated into Wikipedia in some form. I like EDGE's contributions very much, but was unaware that they had been directly lifted from MA (if such is the case). Would it be acceptable if the wording was changed in the corresponding Wikipedia entries?--StAkAr Karnak 20:45, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

EDGE, I've responded to your complaints on my own talk page, rather than have our discussion split between two pages. -- Dan Carlson 14:45, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

Hi EDGE, I've responded to your latest message, again on my talk page. -- Dan Carlson 01:57, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] French in Canada

Edge, can I ask, is it true? Do people prefer to NOT speak in English but French in Quebec. If they had their way, would it be a French only society? So much so that Quebec at times are trying to separate from Canada? Thanks and regards--Jondel 00:51, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

1. French people prefer to speak French. English folk prefer to speak English. The grand majority of Quebec's population uses French as their mother tongue, so the answer is 'yes'.
2. Probably not, though a few radicals might say so. Quebec society is democratic and cherishes individual rights like all other Canadian provinces. Most pro-French laws were designed to preserve the French language, not to assimilate everyone (though they are trying to assimilate recent immigrants into Quebecois society, which I think is natural.)
3. A segment of Quebec's population (and certain political parties) do want to seperate. This is not to shove French down everyone's throat, but is expressed in light of the right of self-determination. The Quebecois are a people, a nation. They merely want to control their own destiny as much as possible through the creation of a nationstate.

EDGE 14:33, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)

Meow, Meow , Thanks!It really has more impact to hear it from some one direct rather than get the info from books or static web pages. Do you still have insomnia? When are you comming to Japan? Is the French -English translator job saturated there?　Did you grow up speaking French? Was the medium of instruction in French in your school? So many questions sorry. By the way I'm drinking (Japanese)ice coffee now.Au revoir. --Jondel 09:39, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Non-free use disputed for Image:Damar.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:Damar.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted after seven days according to our Criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 17:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Bilby_and_O'brian.jpg

I have tagged Image:Bilby_and_O'brian.jpg as {{no rationale}}, because it does not provide a fair use rationale. If you believe the image to be acceptable for fair use according to Wikipedia policy, please provide a rationale explaining as much, in accordance with the fair use rationale guideline, on the image description page. Please also consider using {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. Thank you. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Sisko_and_Garak.jpg

I have tagged Image:Sisko_and_Garak.jpg as {{no rationale}}, because it does not provide a fair use rationale. If you believe the image to be acceptable for fair use according to Wikipedia policy, please provide a rationale explaining as much, in accordance with the fair use rationale guideline, on the image description page. Some examples can be found at Wikipedia:Use rationale examples. Please also consider using {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Non-free. Thank you. Rockfang (talk) 12:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)