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[edit] Latino (demonym)
Your edits are not helpful. Please stop. Note that you can discuss your concerns on the talk page. What you've done so far, in trampling over cited material goes against Wikipedia policies, as I've told you before. SamEV (talk) 06:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Legal threats
In regards to [1], Wikipedia has a strict policy against online legal threats. Please see WP:NLT. I strongly suggest that you withdraw the statement. --B (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] January 2008
- To elaborate on the above, based on Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/EDGARR, your two sock puppets have been blocked indefinitely and you have been blocked for one week. Further use of sock puppets will result in a resetting of the block and possibly in an indefinite block. When your block expires, please edit constructively and remember that the article is not an avenue for you to push your point of view and that content on Wikipedia must be reliably sourced. Thank you. --B (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It is SamEv? and his friends or sockpuppets or whatever it is you call them, that have been pushing their POV. Anything anyone puts up has been systematical removed immediately by them. They have quoted a couple of paragraphs from an online dictionary which pushed their POV. When I quoted the rest of what the same author wrote, which put the meaning in context and gave it a balanced view, they kept reverting it without explanation. What was written in the new subject of racial equality was copied directly from the census bureau's documents and from the Office of management and budgets documents which state the official racial categories of Latinos. The is the official view of the U.S. census bureau and this is an important aspect and part of who latinos are. They remove these at will without explanation. I'm sure that there have been many complaints against these people as they attempt to monopolize the section and vandalizing what others write. I object to any indication that I was making any sort of "legal threat". What I want is a legal resolution which I believe finally is taking place here by you. I want someone of with legal authority to look into this matter of the way the term Latino is being written and also the way these people collaberately revert what others state, even official documents without impunity. Please respond so we can resolve this issue. Thank you....EdgarREDGARR (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/EDGARR. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
the 3 times revert rule indicates a 24hr block. I did not understand the last person comment or reason for declining.
[edit] Latino (demonym)
Just work with us, all of us together. I'm not asking you to agree with me on everything or anything; just to adopt a different attitude and observe the rules. For instance, you need to stop - and it is a must, Edgar - inserting your own words into quotations. That's 100% unacceptable. And just discuss more, with an attitude of co-operation, rather than an adversarial one. Really, try it. If only as an experiment. SamEV (talk) 05:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I am willing to cooperate SamEv, when I inserted the words I did not know it was a quote, when I followed the link and read the quote, I understood that while the author says that theoretically Latins in the U.S. can be called Latinos because most come from Latin America, he also states and balances that statement with saying that some of the people being referred to as Latino disagree on the term and many of these Latinos prefer the term Hispanic. Keeping just the part that says that (in that authors opinion)it is ok to call people a certain term, without putting forth the oposing view of the others is one sided and seems to be pushing pov. This is why I added the second part of the quote. On another note, Many people think (mistakingly) that Latinos are a seperate race! For me to clarify that what 'Latinos can be of any race' means is an important clarification. It is stated in the OMB that Latinos are of the same races that non latinos are, that they are either White, Black (African American race), Amerindian for Native American race, Asian or a combination of these. For instance a mestizo is a biracial person of White and Amerindian heritage. (Some people believe they actually are different terms). I believe these racial clarifications are of the upmost importance, and will help Latinos and non Latinos alike understand each other better. In his book Dr. Nathaniel Brandon (the father and authority of the self esteem/mental health movement) wrote that for the health of the mind and for proper functioning in a complex society "A clear sense of identity is necessary". A vague or confusing concept of self leads to an unhealthy life in many ways. I believe strongly that this information, even a seperate section if necessary if people (even Latinos) are going to understand what 'is' a Latino is. at least in racial terms. Anyway I'm glad you wrote and I'am looking toward to working and cooperating with you and your friend. I will even give you an email address if you'd like as these issues and articles are of the upmost important and affect the life of many. EDGARR (talk) 06:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
- Hello EDGARR. I just wanted to make my own the words of SamEV and say that I am glad to see that your adversarial attitude is gone and your edits are going in a constructive path. You see, regarding the substance of your positions, I may even agree with many of them! I know latinos can be of any race, etc. The problem with your past edits, paired with a conflicting attitude you many times have (relax my friend! Or can I say - Calma amigo! Tudo está bien si tenemos calma!), is that, besides changing quotes, etc, sotimes it reads as a somewhat normative personal essay and not as an encyclopedia! With proper NPOV and everything else. Even if you are correct, sometimes we have to present in the articles positions we know are wrong (of course we can say that they are wrong, if we present a good source - and sources for what for us may be obvious are sometimes difficult to find!!). Glad you are in a cooperative path - I'm sure you'll have contibutions to give. I ask you please - just be calm! Vale? Thanks! The Ogre (talk) 06:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Notables
It's the article I put in the See also section when I made that edit. It's called List of Hispanic and Latino Americans. SamEV (talk) 00:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
FontesAugusto (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)== THE POWER OF THE WORDS == It's interesting how the words can change of meaning.Hispanic was someone from spain. Now is someone form latin america. Its obvious that the spanish people and the white people in latin america wants to change the meaning of this word because in fact today this is very unfair.The governament of usa says that latinos or hispanics can be of any race.But the media shows to the world this word meaning a person with a dark skin sometimes looks like a native american or is only a person with a dark skin but never black and never white.I saw a movie called spanglish.A mexican woman goes to usa with her daughter.In the middle of the movie the mexican girl says something like that : "You are the best white person that i ever know".Something in the steriotype, very normal.But if you see the cast the mexican woman is in fact a spanish person so you think how a spanish white woman can work like a non white mexican?This is very ridiculous and almost funny , A NATIVE WHITE EUROPEAN WOMAN IS A NON WHITE MEXICAN but adam sandler a jewish man ,who looks like the jews native from middle east with a skin more dark than white, is a white american only because he is jewish?Hey americans you consider native people and black people from your country anglo only because he or she is american?No you probably consider them native american and black what they really are.But how a native or mixed (white and indian blood) mexican can be latino?the white mexican is but for him is boring to use this term because today means non white people.This discussion will never end and the media will always change the mean of the words.but whatever i didn't give up.ps:i sill don't know how to sign.Augusto Fontes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.99.243 (talk) 00:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- You are 100% correct about the media and the way they discriminate (see wikipedia's 'White Hispanics'). You are also right in how people change the meaning of words. The sad part is that most of the time it is done to (the 4 D's) disassociate people from their histories, defame, discredit and disempower and them. I saw Spanglish and enjoyed the positive way they portrayed the Mexican mother and daughter, although you are right when the little girl told Sandler's wife that she was the best white person she ever met...(in other words, like if her own mother was not white or she never met a white person in Mexico. I saw something like this in a T.V. series called Monk, where the script writers had a white mexican woman tell Monk " You think just because you're American and white you can come here and tell us what to do." This has the affect of communicating to the masses who were watching... 1) that some Mexicans, even if they ARE Caucasion, should not be viewed as white. 2) It also served to "Officially" put the white stamp of approval on Monk. You see the viewers had questions of his 'Whiteness' due to certain characteristics, (dark skin and short, coarse and curly hair.) As far as signing in, if you type in 4 tilde's your user name will automatically be put in for you. EDGARR (talk) 09:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey EDGARR where are you from ? I'm from Brazil.Finally someone agree with me about this term.I started to notice this when i read a book from a brazilian writer Lya Luft in the book she tells that when she went to university in usa , people said this to her: You are brazilian ? But you are blonde how can you be brazilian?See this ,a guy from argentina did http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/tryferis/hispanic.htm FontesAugusto (talk) 01:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
