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[edit] Cleveland
I removed the Cleveland examples, because none of the places listed (Amherst, Bainbridge Township, Mantua, Medina, Painesville and Stow) are edge cities. Mantua is a rural village. Painesville and Medina are old county seats blended into Cleveland's sprawl without a particularly high density of offices. Bainbridge is a low-density exurb. I'm not as familiar with Amherst and Stow, but I really doubt they have enough office space to be considered edge cities. The only places in the Cleveland area I know of that could be considered edge cities are the Cloverleaf area of Independence and the Chagrin Blvd. corridor in Shaker Heights and Beachwood. -- Mwalcoff 02:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of edge cities
I removed several "edge cities" from the list because they do not fit the criteria. Many of the cities listed were historical population centers that had expierienced rapid recent growth. This list is still unwieldy and I suspect contains more inappropriate entries then correct. A rigorous approach is needed or the list should be removed to prevent every suburban commercial center in the country from being added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miglewis (talk • contribs) 20:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] That many in New York?
Back when Edge City was penned in 1991, there was a list in the back of the book naming the edge cities surrounding various urban centers in the United States and Canada. Under New York there were about 20-25, including emerging edge cities. According to the list on the Wikipedia page, in the fifteen-sixteen years since the book was published the New York area has curiously spawned about 45-50 more. Might someone verify that? Svalbard in winter 04:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New York/Pittsburgh Examples
Some of the New York examples don't fit in to the term edge cities. Alot of the examples listed were more likely bedroom communities. In addition the Oakland neighborhood in Pittsburgh is an urban neighborhood so it does not fit into the term edge city.
[edit] Accuracy
The list of edge cities is kind of sprawling out of control, as I think the above comments seem to suggest. This might seem draconian at first, but I think the best solution is to try to get a published reference calling each item on the list an "edge city", probably from someone who is an unbiased observer with some credentials. If we can't find such a reference for an item, we remove it and the burden is on people who want to add it to find proof. I think this is a reasonable way to keep this article accurate and useful. Thoughts? --W.marsh 20:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Origin of term.
The term Edge-City was not coined in the 80s. It appeared in the "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" and was often made reference to by the merry pranksters (apparently). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.151.38.116 (talk) 06:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Principal cities
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget defines certain places as "principal cities", which area basically cities that serve as employment centers (see Section 5 of this document for the full definition). A list can be found here. I don't know if this is related to the concept of edge cities but it could be one way of trimming down the out of control list of cities. --Polaron | Talk 17:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, as the article you cite clearly shows, principal cities are defined almost entirely by residential population. Edge cities, on the other hand, are defined by several criteria, none of which is residential population. Some principal cities are also edge cities, but they're far more likely to be traditional urban or suburban areas. VERY few principal cities outside of major downtown areas are going to be "characterized by more jobs than bedrooms", which is one of the criteria for an edge city. Think of principal cities as where people are more likely to live, and edge cities as where they're more likely to work and shop. In fact, many of the cities incorrectly listed as "edge cities" on the list (Tempe, Scottsdale, Carmel, Overland Park, and many others) are really just regular suburban principal cities, since they are highly residential. 71.115.14.122 05:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- One important requirement to be a principal city is that the number of jobs exceeds the number of employed residents. So, I think you may have read the definition of a principal city wrong. Can you point out a principal city that has fewer jobs than employed residents? --Polaron | Talk 14:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- For reference, these are the criteria to become a principal city:
- Largest incorporated place in a CBSA with population 10,000+
- Other incoporated places with population 250,000+ with at least 100,000 employed residents
- Other incorporated places with population 50,000 to 250,000 where number of jobs exceeds number of employed residents
- Other incorporated places with population 10,000 to 50,000 AND which is at least 1/3 the population size of the largest incorporated place in the CBSA where number of jobs exceeds number of employed residents
