Talk:Edgar the Ætheling

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[edit] Miscellaneous

I have been doing some geneological research and have come across an interesting article in the London Daily Telegragh dated weds, september 2, 1896, page 5, column 2. The article was concerning a gentleman by the name of George Outlaw who had died in South Australia, and whom was believed to be a descendant of King Edgar Atheling. I carry the Outlaw name and I was curious if it might be possible that I might be a distant descendant of King Atheling. If there is anyone out there that could help me?

This old Telegraph article is probably full to the brim with optimistic and journalistic surmise; the Telegraph (even in those days) is one of the more culpable manipulators of exactitude. There were plenty of outlaws in Anglo-Saxon history (and later) other than Edgar Atheling. The most famous Outlaw of the lot was of course not Ned Kelly (despite Mick Jagger's depiction of him!) but Robin Hood, and given the fact that Australia was a penal colony this probably had more to do with the origins of George Outlaw's surname than any tenuous link to Edgar Atheling. I also found this link which may help you in your inquiries: http://www.mygen.com/users/outlaw/Outlaw%20Geneology.htm

Have a cool yule. user:sjc

The article states that Edgar Atheling never married and that he presumably didn't have children. His sister Margaret married Malcolm III of Scotland, so George Outlaw probably isn't a descendant of Edgar Atheling, unless there is some unrecorded affair with him and someone else, then George Outlaw may be decended through an illegitimate line.

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For whatever it's worth, I just changed an anonymously created article Aetheling into a ridirect to this article. Its entire content was: "Aetheling, Edgar: Anglo-Saxon Prince of England who lost his throne to William the Conq. Later participated in the Crusades. Nowadays, a self-produced EP by the band Mardukh from Berlin, circling around a man assuring his girl he'd forget his fight for "the throne" (whichever) for one night." If anyone thinks the "self-produced EP" merits mention at the bottom of the article, feel free to add it. -- Jmabel 06:33, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Removed redirect and expanded article on aetheling. Ostrich 18:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It's doubtful that people with the name 'outlaw' are descended from Edgar (not impossible!) but there have been so many Outlaws throughout history to claim specific descent through Edgar is not really credible (though as said before it is minutely plausible). Aria elwenaria_elwen

[edit] Eadgar II

Who calls him Eadgar II? If we're just trying to indicate the Anglo-Saxon spelling of his name (Eadgar), I'm fine with that, but there is a valid historical precedent for including the Roman numeral? Binabik80 19:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree - by convention Roman numerals aren't used for Anglo-Saxon kings. Ostrich 11:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not quite as clear-cut as that. They aren't used when there's a good alternative, they appear very rarely in the actual text of reliable sources (indexes are not created by authors and need to disambiguate where the text does not), but they do appear sometimes. There's no excuse for nonsense like Edmund II of England though; who's he ? Now Edmund Ironside, him I've heard of. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, only a few numerals would be used - Edmund I of England, Ethelred I of England, Harold II of England. But in most cases there's a better alternative. Edmund II of England is an abomination. john k 16:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Margaret sister of Malcolm

I added a fact tag for him marrying a sister of Malcolm. According to Todd Farmeric on gen-med, "I know of no source which provide's any origin for Edgar's wife." So if whomever stated that he married a sister of Malcolm could post a citation that would be great. I've leave that statement up for a week, and then delete it, if there is no WP:RS. Thanks. Wjhonson 04:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Being bold, I removed it. Why wait a week ? Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I've seen this before in the article concerning the geneology of the Scottish kings, Edgar is included there married to Margaret. There is also someone (I forget where not the Australian one) claiming descent through a 'daughter' of Edgar the name began with M. but this person also claimed Agatha to be British so how much store one can put in that particular persons claims is under suspicion. Still it is intriguing. Aria elwen 00:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)aria_elwen