Talk:Ecocities
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This article isn't neutral.
This has very little to do with the Garden City movement of the early Twentieth Century (which redirects here)--129.234.4.10 20:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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- It seems to be back on its own: Garden city movement. But the ecocities article needs serious revision. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 00:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Where's Letchworth, Welwyn GC or Stevenage?
I'm surprised at this lack.
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[edit] Merge?
I think this article should be merged with Ecopolis. What do you think?
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- Seems more appropriate to merge it with Arcology. That term may be more widely used (Google books: ecocity 204 hits, arcology 544 hits) but more importantly it's more distinguishing; in American English the prefix "eco-" gets prepended to everything, all the time, by marketing and PR people who want to capitalize on any aspect of the green / Earth-friendly movement, so "ecocity" could just as easily be construed to mean a city with a comprehensive recycling program or well-tended public parks as it could "maximally self-contained, minimal environmental impact" city as is the case here. Also, the WP arcology entry has good material, a good historical perspective, and is well-interwingled. --24.62.180.12 (talk) 10:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Politics of Urban Elitism
Because the cities tend to resist new development, such as more housing units, they contribute to the high costs of living in the cities. As a result, there is an increasing disparity in income between the rich and the poor in the city, while middle-class people tend to live in the suburbs. As a result, many of the recent political campaigns have focused on "urban elitism," the idea that the city is the domain of the rich, the bohemians, and those who like to talk down to the middle-class.
This conveys the idea that the suburbs are home to "real America," gun-toting, race-car loving, conservative, average Joes, while the cities are home to elites who are liberal in terms of government policies and progressivism. Moreover, city-living people are considered to enjoy composting, recycling, and taking public transportation — activities portrayed as part of the fringe of mainstream society.
The reason for the lack of housing development is due to the neighborhoods that comprise the city. They tend to have strong community that are unwilling to allow developers to disperse them by tearing down the old housing and building new ones. [citation needed]
This section is pure nNPOV and should be heavily re-worded if not deleted. On top of that, it's utter gibberish. FrFintonStack 03:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Overall
My understanding is that the term "ecocity" is slightly different than the term "ecopolis," but the wikipedia entry for the latter is farily weak as well. I can imagine the two terms being covered in the same article, with text describing the different evolutionary tracks of the terms.
As the comment above states, however, this whole entry is poorly written. It reads like the original author was not actually familiar with the term "ecocity" as used by Richard Register et al, and instead was writing about what s/he _thought_ the term means. When I have some time I'll put up a concept for a page on "urban sustainable development / sustainable urban development" (which is a small but growing field in Urban Studies) that addresses ecocity/ecopolis as well.
[sorry, no username yet] 22 November 06
I searched for 'Garden Cities' and was redirected to Eco Cities, which while a similar topic is not the same as the idea from Ebenezer Howard. There is no cross reference from Eco Cities to the entry 'Garden City Movement' which can be found on the Ebenezer Howard entry. Ebenezer Howard as his entry shows wrote the book on garden cities. My complaint is that if you did not know that Ebenezer Howard was the creater of the Garden City you could not find him or the garden city movement from 'Garden Cities'. I suggest that searches on 'Garden Cities' are redirected to 'Garden City Movement', not 'Eco Cities'.
[edit] Politics of Urban Elitism
This section, aside from being utter nonsense, lacks any relevence whatsoever to the article. If for some reason it seems necessary to include this information, perhaps a link to the appropriate page would be suitable.
129.115.38.21 18:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)rh
[edit] Revert edit
Please revert the edit in which following info was placed:
[edit] Present and planned eco-cities around the world
[edit] Present Eco-cities
[edit] Planned Eco-cities
The government of China has given the order to create approximately five eco-cities in China. One of these is in Guangdon, near the Yangtse-river, another is in Dongtan. The English company Arup has been given the order to construct these. Most of the eco-cities are already designed, but still some issues need to be worked out.
This article still needs to be edited (the German eco-cities need to be added and so on, yet it already has info that should remain)
Why do I get the sinking feeling that this article was written by Chinese spies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.31.43 (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
