Talk:Echinopsis lageniformis

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Several problems... First, the name achuma is a generic term in the Andes for all the psychedelic Trichocereus species, not just T. bridgesii. Second... "The Beast"? Who the hell calls it that? I've been researching these plants for a decade or so and this is the first time I've ever heard that silly name. Maybe that's a nickname used by some small group of friends of whoever created this article, but it hardly seems encyclopedic knowledge. Lastly the claims that its the most magical and least used of the species seems... well, wrong. It's quite widely used in its native environment, and as for most magical, there is a lot of variability and chemical analysis don't back up the notion that this species is consistently higher in active alkaloids than pachanoi or peruvianus. Murple 07:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The picture seen in the table on the right is of my own plant. No source required.--Sennaista 17:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Synonyms

The taxobox is a bit problematic, as it says Genus: Echinopsis and species: T. bridgesii ... and right down the bottom it says Echinopsis bridgesii which is plain incorrect.

I suggest the article be renamed Echinopsis lageniformis, with a redirect from Trichocereus bridgesii. The taxobox should use E. lageniformis throughout but perhaps list T. bridgesii as a synonym. The text should say something like:

Echinopsis lagenifomis is a fast-growing columnar cactus from the high deserts of Bolivia. The species is also known by the earlier binomial Trichocereus bridgesii although the entire Trichocereus genus was merged with Echinopsis in the 1970s. Among the indigenous populations of Bolivia...

However I thought I should put it up for discussion rather than being a bit too bold. --Russell E 01:36, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

• Sounds good. Although the change of name might be a bad idea as T. bridgesii is a much more popular name. May be the redirect should be from Echinopsis lageniformis. --Sennaista 16:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

It's in my books as Echinopsis lageniformis (and also as 2-5m tall); I'd support the move - MPF 00:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it should move too. It wouldn't have any practical negative consequences — those who know it as T. bridgesii would still find the page via the redirect. It would just mean we're not perpetuating an anachronism. --Russell E 00:54, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Seems a pretty clear consensus - I'll move it now - MPF 01:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Dang!! copied in a typo from above and moved it to "Echinopsis lagenifomis" instead of to Echinopsis lageniformis (note 'r') - tried to move it on to the correct spelling, but it needs an admin move for that - MPF 01:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Managed to move it successfully after all! - MPF 01:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice job guys.--Sennaista 21:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)