Talk:Eau Rouge corner

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This article was nominated for deletion on 17 March 2007. The result of the discussion was merge and redirect to Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps.

[edit] Chicane?

I wouldn't have called Eau Rouge a chicane for two reasons - a chicane, originally meaning "trick", is an artificial feature to slow a circuit down, like the Goodwood Chicane. Eau Rouge itself is a natural corner on the old highway - the artificial part is the Raidillon curve, and that is an easement of the circuit, intended to make it faster - as is the artificial curve at Stavelot hairpin on the old circuit. Both purpose-built corners were added in an era when there was kudos in having the fastest track in Europe. -- Ian Dalziel 12:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Is Eau Rouge corner a good name? Can we move it to that title? --David Edgar 13:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That's what I'd call it. -- Ian Dalziel 15:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

You have to call it something, and calling it Eau Rouge would have it conflict with the river article. We'd have to create a disambiguation page and give the circuit article a suffix like Eau Rouge (complex) or Eau Rouge (corner), leaving the river article with its current (and historically original) name. Signed: El Belga^TM 07:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

It was called "Eau Rouge chicane", which is what I objected to. It was moved to "Eau Rouge corner". "Complex" might strictly be more accurate, since the article mentions Raidillon and the following lefthand curve as well, but I'm happy with "corner". (Does the lefthander have a name? It's not really part of Kemmel either) -- Ian Dalziel 12:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual accuracy?

"The corner requires a large amount of skill from the driver to negotiate well " This may be very POV and misleading. Current F1 cars do not need all that much driving skill through that corner. If I recall correctly, it is even taken flat out these days. Perhaps it used to be very difficult, but not necessarily today, with the technology and ability of today's F1 cars. Peoplesunionpro 20:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

It still is. I read an article about it in 2004, and it was still considered a challenge to take (by Jenson Button) and they often had to lift anyway. JackSparrow Ninja 17:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps yes, but next year it will be just as easy as 130R was this year with the V8 engine. I think that statement should be changed, if not now, in the very near future. Manipe 21:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Compared to any old bog-standard F1 Corner, I'm sure this is a challenging turn to accomplish with maximum speed. Keep the old statement. AppleRobin 18:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No separate article on Raidillon needed

The newly created article Raidillon should be merged in here. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       19:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The existing text is describing the complex - it would have to be rewritten to confine it to the left-hander. -- Ian Dalziel 20:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I translated this article directly from the french wikipedia earlier today... There the articles are separate, but if you can manage to merge the two together and still keep a nice (and more importantly, effective) flow then by all means do so! (Remark: Raidillon is not the entire chicane, it is exclusively the uphill. Eau Rouge is actually the river that flows across the track, although -yes- the complex is referred to as Eau Rouge) Signed: El Belga^TM 07:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the article is quite clear about that : "Properly speaking, the Eau Rouge corner is only the lefthander at the bottom. The following righthander that leads steeply uphill was introduced in 1939 to shortcut the original hairpin "Ancienne Douane", is called Raidillon (fr:Raidillon de l'Eau Rouge)". -- Ian Dalziel 12:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, Eau Rouge corner is good, no need for a Raidillon article, there are many raidillons but only one Eau Rouge corner... - Wikigi 11:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)