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I finally got admitted to the New Jersey Bar and I am currently working rather unpredictable hours as a contract attorney. Therefore, my presence here will continue to be sporadic, although more so than usual. If it takes me a while to respond to a message left on my talk page, please understand that I cannot always reply quickly. Thank you.

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[edit] Legal Tender Cases

Hi Eastlaw. Your help would be appreciated at the Legal Tender Cases article. An anonymous user is insisting that paper money in unconstitutional. I've tried to be as accommodating as possible. Would you please review the situation? Thanks.Ferrylodge 19:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. If possible, I think it might be helpful if you would comment at the talk page for this article, in order to explain that statements must be backed up by sources, and that we cannot give undue weight to sources that argue against the way things have been for the past 150 years. The editor in question seems to think that the Constitution is unambiguous that paper money is forbidden, but that just ain't so.
All of the constitutional provisions that he relies on are now mentioned and linked in the article, but he wants them to be actually quoted verbatim in their entirety. Unfortunately, if we quoted all the relvant constitutional provisions in their entirety, then the article would become unwieldy, because there are so many constitutional provisions involved.Ferrylodge 20:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
P.S. The Legal Tender Cases article explicitly mentions and links to the Wikipedia article about the Tenth Amendment, and the article about Article I, Section 8 (including the Necessary and Proper Clause plus the power to regulate the value of coins plus the power to borrow). The Legal Tender Cases article also explicitly mentions and links to the Wikipedia article about Article I, Section 10 (including the states' power to make coins a legal tender plus the power of states to repel invasions). I just don't see how to do more to accommodate this person's concerns.Ferrylodge 20:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for putting in your two cents at the Legal Tender Cases talk page. I'm a patent attorney in Connecticut. If you're interested, let me know.  :-) I don't know why I waste so much time on Wikipedia. It's addictive.  :-( Ferrylodge 21:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I wish I could be more help, but my firm requires eligibility to practice before the patent office. Sometimes, we hire non-lawyers who become "patent agents", but not lawyers who can't mess with patents. Sorry. Anyway, you'd probably get tired of patents after a while (hint, hint).Ferrylodge 22:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Is the Northeastern law school campus on Huntington Avenue near the undergrad campus? I stayed at the YMCA on Huntington in 1979. I'm from Boston.Ferrylodge 02:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I know that area like the back of my hand --- or at least I used to. My Mom still lives in Back Bay, on St. Botolph Street near the Pru. Anyway, why don't you set up your Wikipedia email preferences?Ferrylodge 03:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Redirect of Big law

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[edit] Secretary of State of New Jersey

Hi Alan, I just wanted to thank you for helping to improve the article I created on the Secretary of State of New Jersey. --Eastlaw 22:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for doing your part to create the article in the first place. In addition to creating more articles, the more each article is linked to other related articles, the more useful Wikipedia is. Thanks for teh thanks. Alansohn 22:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SCOTUS case lists and tags

Eastlaw, I saw this question about the new SCOTUS case lists. The way I did this was to use <includeonly> and <noinclude> tags to modify what shows up when the individual lists by chief justice are either viewed directly, or transcluded onto another page. When viewed directly, things behind "noinclude" don't show up. When viewed transcluded, things behind "includeonly" don't show up. Here's a diff showing where the tags are: [1]. And User:Chaser/SCOTUS all demonstrates what chaos the tags prevent. As you can see in the diff, the tags are directly before the code that ends the first table, allowing the code starting the first table to run the table on the master list all the way through to the last and final list (for the Roberts Court). It's a bit confusing, but let me know if I can clarify or offer more examples.--Chaser - T 07:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Competition law

Hello Eastlaw. I like the new templates. Thanks! Wikidea 07:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

No recommendations on the template for the mo - it's just fine, and as I said before, I like what you've done - but if you can, please do contribute to the Comp law page itself - it needs a bit of "globalising" in the Comp law practice section, and I think you might know one or two things (or have access to materials?) which could improve it! Cheers, Wikidea 22:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upmerging stub categories

Hi Eastlaw. Basically, with stub-sorting, we like to have reasonably large stub categories (between 60 and about 800 stubs) - anything smaller than that and they get too granular to be much use to editors, and more of a hassle to sort, too. When a subject comes up which doesn't reach that total, we sometimes have upomerged categories. Templates are made for individual topics, but only a more widely-scoped category is made. For instance, we could create separate law stubs for several different countries (say Japan, India, China and Pakistan), and have them all feed for the time being into a larger "Asia law stubs" category. It makes a reasonable sized category and - by having separate templates - it makes it easier for the stub sorters to monitor when there are enough stubs for individual nation-specific subcategories. For an example of how it works, have a look at something like Cat:Caribbean geography stubs. Several caribbean countries have their own subcategories of that, but others just have templates feeding into the main category. Hope that helps, Grutness...wha? 00:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

My bad, lapsing into the local argot in front of unsuspecting non-regulars. I should probably carry around a link to this glossing in my back-pocket, which gives the basics, at least. (And could maybe do with being expanding to cover the typical WSS/Proposals usage, perhaps.) Alai 02:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] proposed new category Category:Appellate courts

Eastlaw, do you have any thoughts on creating this category? I think it fills a niche, but of course I don't want to create & populate a category if it's then going to be listed for deletion. I set out some of the pros and cons at Talk:Court of Appeals#Establishing new category for appellate courts?; if you have any comments perhaps put them there. Thanks. --Mathew5000 01:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the new category is a good idea, but perhaps it should be divided up by country. For example, in the U.S., we have appellate courts at both the state and federal level. I'm pretty sure Canada and Australia have similarly-structured "two-tier" court systems. Other countries have their own court systems which are divided up differently. Let me know what you think about this. --Eastlaw 04:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
In respect to the states of the USA, there already exists Category:State supreme courts but no category encompassing intermediate appellate courts. Would you suggest creating new Category:State intermediate appellate courts which would be a subcategory of Category:State appellate courts?
As for Canada, the system is not analogous because the provincial appellate courts are not truly provincial courts. For example, the Quebec Court of Appeal is a court for Quebec but not a court of Quebec (in the sense that it was created by the federal government, and its judges are appointed by and paid by the federal government). Incidentally there already exists List of Canadian courts of appeal but no corresponding category.
I don't know about Australia; my sense is that in this respect the state appellate courts there are more similar to the American system than the Canadian system.
--Mathew5000 11:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
To correct what I said earlier, the provincial courts of appeal actually are created (or continued) by the provincial legislatures (see for example the Courts of Justice Act (Quebec) and section 2 of the Courts of Justice Act (Ontario). But it is correct that the judges of these courts are appointed by and their salaries paid by the federal government. Also they are not analogous to state supreme courts because the Supreme Court of Canada always has jurisdiction to hear appeals from decisions of the provincial courts of appeal, regardless of the issue involved. --Mathew5000 20:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, go ahead and create the categories. I'm the kind of person that thinks categories should have a logical "tree and branch" structure, so perhaps we could implement the subcategories at the same time (one subcategory for the United States, which would contain subcategories for intermediate appellate courts and one for state supreme courts; one for Canada, one for Australia, etc.). I'm currently working on updating another article, so let me know if you need help.

By the way, are you an attorney/law student in Canada? --Eastlaw 23:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Without answering your last question, I will say that I have a fair bit of miscellaneous knowledge about Canadian law and international law. My knowledge of American law is largely limited to what I've learned from 16 years watching the Law & Order franchise. --Mathew5000 06:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I've populated Category:Canadian appellate courts and begun on Category:Australian appellate courts as well as Category:Appellate courts. I haven’t yet begun on categorizing the state appellate courts of the USA. I came across another category that I had not been aware of, Category:Defunct courts. I added a few articles to it, but I suspect it is underpopulated, in case you know of any defunct courts that aren't yet categorized there. --Mathew5000 06:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've now finished categorizing Wikipedia articles on appellate courts. The American ones should now all be in one of these three categories: (1) Category:United States courts of appeals, (2) Category: State appellate courts, and (3) Category:State supreme courts. Of course (3) is a subcat of (2). The only American appellate court intentionally not in any of those three cats is SCOTUS. For the state appellate courts (other than supreme courts) I went through the lists at State court#Nomenclature and Court of Appeals. --Mathew5000 23:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calling all Civilians

Hey, thanks for the invitation to work on civil law edits. I had noticed the failure to reference to Louisiana's article as a kind of glaring error when mentioning the peculiar doctrine of lesion. I'll be glad contribute as I have time and if you have particular ideas about where I should address my attention, that would definitely be appreciated. I'll weigh in where I can on the Louisiana Civil Code and to a lesser extent its origins and its commonalities with other civil codes. --Economy1 11:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nuncupative will

I'm not sure there will ever be enough information on this subject to justify an entire article. Suppose we merge this and holographic will into a single article on, say, non-formal wills? Just a thought, feel free to disagree. bd2412 T 01:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's just that I know of no jurisdiction that recognizes them, so there's not likely to be much about them. But I think a holistic article on wills that do not meet the common formalities would do. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improvements to legal articles

Hi, thanks for your improvements to a number of legal articles, including Ademption, Municipal law, etc. Bearian 18:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bar admission; My AfD

HI. If you need help on your NY Bar admission, scream for me or on my less-secure account. Thank you for supporting my RfA, especially with your comment that I was a "nice guy with an excellent record of contributions". Bearian 21:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar Thanks

Thank you very much for the Society Barnstar. It is very much appreciated and I'm glad that people are enjoying my work. Thank you again. It means a great deal to me. -Dekkanar 14:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EECavazos

Fantastic work on Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act! EECavazos 17:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steel Pole Bath Tub

Howdy. Feel free to change/add anything there, I was really just taking info from the sites linked. I'm mainly a fan of Milk Cult, and don't have any SPBT albums on hand anymore (though I remember Miracle and Cocktail as being great. Wish I still had them!). Thanks :) --Quiddity (talk) 18:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Howdy from Texas

Howdy! I hope things are going well for you. Famspear 03:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on passing the bar exam! When I passed the bar exam in Texas (about 400 years ago, I think), somebody said that I could also be admitted to practice in the District of Columbia and (I think) Colorado (I didn't apply for admission to either of those jurisdictions, though).

On the job market, I'm not really in touch with what's going on. I don't know that the market would be better in Texas than anywhere else.

However, if you like hot, muggy summers and mild winters, come on down to south Texas! Yours, Famspear 16:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appellate court

Hi, can you help me build Appellate court into a Good Article? Cheers! bd2412 T 18:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Eastlaw

Thanks for your message. I hope your job hunt is going okay. Congratulations on passing the bar!Ferrylodge 19:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] judges notability

Are you familiar with the notability standard (whether official or not) for judges? I assume all appellette federal judges are notable. Are all federal district court judges notable? And what's with state judges. I assume that state supreme court judges are noatable. Anything below that? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 01:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for your fixes to the Supreme Court articles. I write them because I am interested in the issues being addressed and not because I know anything about the law or how to write these articles. So I appreciate all help. Thanks! Mattisse 15:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why your category deletion for Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman

Hi Eastlaw. Just wondering why you deleted the category for that law firm. I see you are involved in law, or looking for a license. Wouldn't you, as a potential employee of a law firm, appreciate the wikipedia would have a category so that you could discover in advance if you employer had a history of misconduct? And shouldn't the general public have access to this information? I'm not sure what your reason was for deletion. Do you doubt the truth? Please elaborate. -- Knowsetfree (talk) 02:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Eastlaw, thanks for the explanation and the helpful referral so that I could fix the Category.

-- Knowsetfree (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NIN WikiProject

I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Nine Inch Nails WikiProject. There's alot of NIN-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few more Nine Inch Nails pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! Drewcifer (talk) 10:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perez v. Sharp: your help requested

Best of luck getting your bar admission! When you get back, I could use your help a bit. I have made changes to the Perez v. Sharp article since you placed a tag there noting that it needed attention. I'm not experienced enough in the ways of Wiki tags and the Law project to know when that attention is enough to warrant removal. When you get a chance, can you add a comment letting me know what else needs to be done? -Lciaccio (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! I'll do my best, but most of my edits were made when I was knee-deep in race relations law :) -Lciaccio (talk) 03:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Wikipedia in judicial opinions

Just for fun (and posterity) I've started this little project. Feel free to add. Cheers! bd2412 T 08:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Tax protester/Request for comment

Your comment is hereby solicited. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rollback

Hello Eastlaw, I have granted rollback rights to your account. The reason for this is that, after a review of some of your contributions, I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended use of reverting vandalism: I do not believe you will abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. Acalamari 00:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) I'm sure you'll use it well. Acalamari 04:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Feedback

Hi there! As suggested by another user who named several wikipedians well instructed in law, we would like any feedback you could give us at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#BusinessWeek's Terms of Use. Basically, BusinessWeek's User Agreement explicitly forbids to deep link (link to any page that is not their home page), and have apparently asked a CEO who was recently interviewed by them not to link to the interview itself since it is considered a breach of their terms of use (according to this CEO's blog, that is). Since we have over 8,000 deep links to their site, we would like to know if you know any precedent about this kind of claim and whether it is enforceable or not according to your own knowledge. Thanks in advance. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 04:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bar exam

(A belated) congrats on passing and getting licensed! I'm on to my second state -- I'm licensed in Arizona, and now taking the California bar exam. ---Axios023 (talk) 03:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Job market? I live in San Francisco, so the market is cutthroat for those at the top and ruthless for those not. I've put myself in a rather specialized niche, so things are going slowly for me. ---Axios023 (talk) 04:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Citizen of the several states

Hi, please comment. Cheers! bd2412 T 09:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uh-oh.

Apparently an IP has an agenda against you. Check the page's history. 21655 τalk/ ʃign 18:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. But that would scare off everyone, and there are some positively-contributing IPs out there. Like this one vandal-fighter I've heard of, but can't put my finger on the exact address.... 21655 τalk/ ʃign 18:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contract page

Hi, I left a note on the talk page, but thought it might be faster if I contacted someone in the law project directly. (Sorry to bother you.) There is some significant confusion among lay-persons as to what the difference is between an agreement and a contract. Googeling doesn't help. It would be nice if you or someone in the law project could find the time to add a line to the contract article. (Preferably before my client shoots me.) This is where people looking for "agreement" end up. Lisa4edit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa4edit (talk • contribs) 08:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your reply. But, whoa, I hope there's more to it, because tons of foreign contracts get translated as "agreement" and the parties would certainly be rather surprised that just by translating we had transferred those into something that's not legally enforceable. I shall stick to "contract" for now. Maybe the Brits have something different there? Anyway, I hope it's o.k. with you if I add your comment to the talk page there. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.23.111 (talk) 06:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Numeric film

I have removed the speedy you placed on this article. A1 is applied to articles that provide insufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Since I have no trouble seeing what the article is about I feel the A1 is inappropriate. I have insted proposed it for deletion as a dictionary definition of a neologism. Taemyr (talk) 09:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Cases involving Justice Cardozo

Category:Cases involving Justice Cardozo, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Cgingold (talk) 20:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contract attorney

Thanks for the good edits to this article. Having been one myself, I know the life of a contract attorney is unpredictable. That's why I went into college teaching. Best of luck! Bearian (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Venable LLP

Thanks for the help in editing this law firm page. My interest is law firm history, expansion of law firms, legal profession in general. If you want to collaborate or suggest articles that should be created/improved in those topics, let me know. The next article on my list to revamp is boutique law firm. --Mediterraneo (talk) 19:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black Sabbath

Hey dude, long time no see! I took a year off from all things wiki- but I remember your work from the old days. I rewrote the Black Sabbath article and i am working it tword FA status. Its currently at peer review, any suggestions would be appreciated. Congrats on passing the BAR! God knows we need more heavy metal lawyers in this world! \m/ Skeletor2112 (talk) 11:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Judicial Watch

You have an odd set of arbitrary non-wikipedia standards that you are applying to the claim that the Ernest M. Edsel biographical entry looks like a "resume" when you have not read the biography for Robert Edsel and other businessmen and lawyers. I wonder what standards you are applying ... certainly not wikipedia standards... keep in mind that we only use information from one of the leading and generally accepted publishers of biographical information...MARQUIS, publisher of the WHO'S WHO series that reference and law librarians, lawyers, and business have relied upon for DECADES--JudicialWatch (talk) 05:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] JUDICAL WATCH on Eastlaw's Arbitrary Edits

What standards does Eastlaw use for biographical entries when he makes arbitrary deletions (such as to categories) and makes wholesale changes to pages such as the bio for Ernest M. Edsel, while ignoring other similar or identical biographical entries for Robert M. Edsel and other businessmen and attorneys that are based on biographical entries by acknowledged publisher Marquis and its "Who's Who" publications —Preceding unsigned comment added by JudicialWatch (talk • contribs) 06:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC) --JudicialWatch (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

--JudicialWatch (talk) 06:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] JUDICIAL WATCH

Eastlaw, this is not the first time you've done this ... you did it on the Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman article by knowsetfree

Your review and opinions are appreciated but you've also made similar arbitrary comments on other matters.

Why not use sandbox or send a note BEFORE making category deletions as you've done to other articles?

Please read the discussion section for the standards we use for businesspeople, lawyers, and judges

Please keep in mind that MARQUIS has done biographies long before any of us were born and that professional librarians, law firms, and businesses use and rely upon MARQUIS.

Peace,--JudicialWatch (talk) 07:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: List of withdrawn drugs

Hello. I have checked the article List of withdrawn drugs and found the drug nefazodone added. Today, I have reverted your edit because in the US, nefazodone is still available as a generic, as evidenced by this. You should think twice about adding drugs to this list. :-) Carlo Banez (talk) 12:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CfD nomination of Category:United States federal commerce legislation

Category:United States federal commerce legislation has been nominated for merging. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page.

I think this CFD would benefit from your input. Cgingold (talk) 11:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)