Talk:Eastern Air Lines

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[edit] POV

Strange how the truth gets fuzzy after just a few short years. It was indeed disaterous when Lorenzo purchased the airline, however the circumstances surrounding that purchase and later detailed in the Movie "Wall Street", were equally bizzare. Rumored,Col. Borman's wife was the cousin of F. Lorenzo's wife. F. Lorenzo's wife was the niece of Rockefeller who promptly exchanced Chase Manhattens interests from Eastern Airlines to Boeing Aircraft stock to divert attention to it being a "Family Affair". The article refers to enteprenur, Mr. Martin Shugrue. Marty as he affectionately like to be called was a past VP of Mr. Lorenzo's ill fated Texas Air and had been lured from his training at Eastern Airlines to run the finances of Texas Air. He was fired by Lorenzo for supposed poor decision making, but then when Mr. Marty began an airline consulting firm, Lorenzo's interests became his only customer. Once Lorenzo successfully placed Eastern in Bankruptcy, ridding the fields of the Unions presence one day before they were prepared to make all the concessions necessary, another under the table deal was made with the New York judge to place Mr. Marty at the helm of the foundering airline. His true purpose was to align everything over time for liquidation. From bankruptcy, Mr. Lorenzo did not have to pay off the debt of the airline, he was able to write off the two million he put up as front money to buy the airline, (which by the way was loaned to him by Eastern Airlines), and Mr. Marty was able to collect a salary in excess of Col. Borman's salary when the airline was a viable carrier. Do you think Enron, or World Com were the first such companies to have involvement of scurolous management and ownership? It cost many people thier jobs, their families, and some, their lives. Thank you corporate America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.252.195 (talk • contribs) 12:02, 16 July 2003 (UTC).

[edit] Union Attitude

While many factors influenced the demise of Eastern, the greatest factor was that of a greedy union. Without concessions from the unions in the competitive markets of the late 80's, Eastern was doomed. Salvation for Eastern lay in the hands of it's machinists. Eastern's managers had already taken huge pay cuts (I should know by experience) but it was not enough to move the machinist unions to help with their fair share. One comment that I will never forget came from a union member, a ramp service man based in Columbus, Ohio who was making over $20/hr, exceptional for that era. After Eastern was forced to shut down he told me (a manager for Eastern) "We sure showed them (Lorenzo)". Ok, maybe you did. But now you're working at a gas station making, maybe $10/hr. WTG. Next time think about other the thousands of others who will lose their jobs because of your selfish actions....You moron. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.48.75.85 (talk • contribs) 05:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC).

Yes and no. While the mechanics' union certainly helped create the problem (i.e. bringing Lorenzo into power in the first place by refusing to cooperate with the other unions and with Frank Borman, the previous CEO), once Lorenzo was there, it was mainly his fault that the airline went other. By the time he was done, most of the employees had turned against him, not just the mechanics. Dbinder (talk) 12:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't ask me, but isn't this gossip / hearsay and basically not worthy of an encyclopedia, even an online one? For a manager, don't you know that machinist isn't capitalized? And it's you're, not your when it is a contraction? Greatest isn't capitalized either, unless it's the first word in a sentence. Publish your screed, fine, but at least write it correctly. Layed is not the past tense of "to lay"./anon/6-3-08

[edit] Personalities and Wikifying

It would be interesting to find out who in addition to Eddie Rickenbacker controlled Eastern during the 1920s to 1960s. Why was Rickenbacker pushed out? It's great drama, and analysis of the mistakes made or the situation that led to Eastern closing its doors would be great information to add. Any idea for sources to go to?

I'm going to add some info about early air mail routes and some structure, as well as a short account of Rickenbacker's part in the airline, especially during World War II.Wipfeln 16:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slight reorg

I moved a couple of things around (Shuttle, Accident, Walt Disney), but didn't delete anything (except one sentence that was repeated in two sections about Trump). The excessive sections weren't easily distinguishable as to if it was a new section or if it continued from the previous section, so I also altered those a bit (as well as lowercase per Wiki style). The "Other Facts" was also promoted. Clipper471 05:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to the cause of the June, 1975 crash at JFK

I removed the reference to "wind shear," since that phrase was not used in the official Probable Cause finding, of the accident report, and replaced it with a more accurate wording of what happened in that crash, and why. --EditorASC 05:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newark

Was Newark not a hub? Did they not have an NYC hub? --DavidShankBone 15:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe Kennedy and LaGuardia were hubs and/or focus cities (if they used that term). I know, for example, that the Shuttle ran from LGA, as it does now under US Airways. Dbinder (talk) 17:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Newark was/is the hub for Continental. Eastern used Kennedy and LaGuardia, as the user above stated. Jeffpw 22:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flight 212

Not sure where to post this. The Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_212 page is removed from wikipedia. Why, it was a good article. Can still be found in google cache http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_212 217.121.193.200 13:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It hasn't been deleted. It's not visible due to a delay in updating the database. Clipper471 23:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flight 512

Anyone care to explain the difference between "fatally injured" and oh, I don't know, "Killed?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.5.94 (talk) 04:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article contains a great deal of sections, but with limited information in most of them. I recommend this article be a candidate for cleanup. --OneCyclone 03:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)