Talk:East Village, Manhattan
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¶ I think there should be a separate article on the Lower East Side. The Lower East Side has a historical connotion that the "East Village" completely lacks.
¶ The redirect should be disabled.
¶ No. The EV is part of the LES and there is much more history ABOVE houston street.
¶ Below Houston is historical for the great immigration wave. After that (c.1900) the area above Houston inspired more culturally.
¶ The East Village was a term the developers plugged to seperate it from the Lower East Side, in part, but it should still be kept this way.
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[edit] Huh?
"Over the last 100 years, the East Village/Lower East Side has arguably contributed more to American arts and culture than any other neighborhood in the nation."
I will edit it to more reasonable claims.
- Sounds like a good idea, It had to read that again when I saw it. Cyprus 23:23, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Western boundary of the East Village
I think this should be Broadway, and the article about Greenwich Village - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Village - lists Broadway as the Eastern boundary of the Village, so when the Bowery and Third Av. are claimed to be the "rough" western boundaries of the East Village, there is a contradiction that begs the question of what to call the 2-3 blocks between Broadway and the Bowery/Third Av. And please, not "Central Village," a designation I don't accept and would like to stamp out, but which if anything is used for the area between 5th Av. or so and Broadway. Michael 09:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "In the 1980s, real estate developers began promoting the name East Village..."
From almost everything I've read outside of Wikipedia, the name "East Village" was established before the 80s. I haven't found a reputable source on the web, but the term became popular in the 60s during the hippie migration to the neighborhood.
I don't doubt that developers and realtors encouraged the dissociation of EV and LES, or that EV and LES became separate neighborhoods in the 80s, but the section is inaccurate the way it is.
In any case, it doesn't help that most of the article is original research and commentary. Ytny 12:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- I lived in the East Village in 1980. It was often called the East Village at that time, though the term was not really common or widespread. The East Village EYE was already being published by then, and it's not like they made the name up. When I was down there, it was indeed the real estate people who were pushing hard to separate the neighborhood from the Bowery and make it sound more like the high-rent West Village. - Corporal Tunnel 01:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I lived on East 7th street and Avenue B (in a building that no longer exists) in 1961. When we heard the LES called "East Village" in those days, we thought it pretentious. I lived on East 9th St. between 1st Avenue and Avenue A, in 1963 and we were calling it the EV by that time. Jinepal
[edit] Tompkins Square Riot
This section is really poor. The incident may well be significant enough to warrant its own article, or simply be built in to this article, but in either case it needs sourcing. There are many articles from New York City newspapers at the time which can be used to bolster the section, but as it stands now it needs to be wildly revised or perhaps even started from scratch. Cuffeparade 19:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- I just checked and there is in fact a very thorough article on the Tompkins Square Park Police Riot. I propose we distill the content of that article into a brief section on this page, or even relegate it to an inline wikilink in the body of this article. Alternatively, there could be a section in this article on gentrification (surely an important, if undoubtedly controversial section to write) which includes references to the riot. Thoughts? Cuffeparade 19:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- I removed the section as POV original research, and added a simple mention & link in the intro. --ZimZalaBim talk 16:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] East Village Not Part of West Village
I have reverted the false statement that the East Village is "considered" (weasel word) part of Greenwich Village. As near as I can tell, as a native New Yorker and a former resident of the East Village, it is not. It is occasionally mistaken for a component of the Village, but lots of things in New York are mistaken for other things, and there's no notable reason to mention that kind of misunderstanding.
Editor Alderschloss (sorry, don't find the doubled-S code) states that official maps list the East Village as part of Greenwich Village. I'd like to see a link to these maps. The site of the City of New York (nyc.gov) runs a clear neighborhood map here - http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/neighbor/neighbor.pdf - and a map of the Greenwich Village Historic District here - http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/maps/greenwich_village.pdf - for reference. These indicate the correct boundaries, to a greater or lesser approximation, of the neighborhoods.
As is clearly stated in the article opening, the name "East Village" was created in the 60's and became common over the course of several decades. Greenwich Village, on the other hand, was an existing settlement which was absorbed into New York City as the original colony grew. It has a separate street grid, a separate history, a separate past ethnicity, a separate Community Board, and a separate zoning designation, and is in general not connected with the East Village in any way, apart from being next to it.
It is true that some people think there is a connection between the East Village and the Village. This is a false association, just what the realtors hoped for when the made up the name East Village in the first place. If you ask me, the Wiki should ideally correct false notions like these, rather than spreading them. - Corporal Tunnel 15:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
