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[edit] Should this page even exist?

Why should this be a separate article, rather than part of the List of Milwaukee neighborhoods?--Orange Mike 15:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I've noted that many of the larger cities maintain a category of their notable neighborhoods... the List of Milwaukee neighborhoods has gotten away from being the bulleted Wikipedia list it was intended to be, and is now more of an eclectic article. Personally, I feel it should have brief descriptions of the smaller neighborhoods (and not the superfluous unverifiable POV there is now) with links to articles for the larger ones. I've had the urge to completely rewrite the list and do just that on more than one occasion, but am not interested in getting in to an edit/revert war with whom ever might have feelings invested in it. A great introductory resource on the history of many of Milwaukee's neighborhoods is the book Milwaukee Streets: The Stories Behind Their Names by Carl Baehr. 72.131.44.247 18:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UW-Milwaukee

From a legal point of view, a merger only happens between two independent legal entities. UW-extension at Milwaukee was not an independent entity. So it is fundanmentally wrong to say UW extension is a party of the merger. The merger basically is UW took over that time Milwaukee college. As a result of this takeover, the Milwaukee College changed its name to University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and the former UW externsion at Milwaukee became part of UWM. Superficially, this may look to ordinary people that the merger is between UW extension and Milwaukee college. But it is just an informal ordinary people's point of view. And such wording is putting UWM at lower level than it should be. Miaers 23:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

UW did not take over anything; they fought fiercely and in all sorts of venues to prevent the infant institution being gestated from having their precious "University of Wisconsin" on it in any way; they even got the Attorney General to issue a scare advisory that it might be unconstitutional to have a "University of Wisconsin" anywhere outside the bounds of Madison. (And of course they continue to this day to deprive Milwaukee of as much funding as they can grab.) I am trying to give proper recognition to the hardworking people of the UW-Extension who were absorbed by the new entity, which in turn was firmly under the control of people like Dr. Klotsche who had been with the former Wisconsin State C.- Milwaukee/MSTC: not the other way around. Esoteric legalisms have no place in this venue. This article is not a legal brief, it's an explanation of what happened for a lay readership. All contemporary accounts described this as a merger of complementary peers. The new entity was combining the old, less-academically-prestigious undergraduate functions of MSTC/WSCM with the primarily graduate functions of the non-autonomous UW-Extension. This new, more prestitious entity, better funded than WSCM had been and no longer under Madison's thumb the way the extension had been, in turn would be able to expand on the East Side. The new entity would even be able to offer doctorates (eventually), although again Madison fought that and continues to fight that.--Orange Mike 23:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

UW took over a new campus at Milwaukee. Please be aware of the NPOV. This is an encyclopedia. Things should be based on facts not some people's feelings or personal point of view. By the way, the Milwaukee college had its graduate program before the merger. And UW-Extension is basically nothing. Since when UW-Extension became primarily graduate degrees functioning? Please be sure what you are talking about.  :) Miaers 23:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you don't seem to understand the details of Milwaukee higher education of that period. At that time, most of the UW Extension in Milwaukee was graduate and continuing education. The program had its own building and its own staff; it was not "basically nothing"! WSC-M was being blocked from adding any meaningful graduate programs because UW insisted that this should be their exclusive prerogative. Returning GIs were told that they should come to Madison if they wanted to get an engineering education past the freshman-sophomore, as UW would not allow the programs in Milwaukee to expand to an extent that would rival their own. The politics were annoyingly byzantine. This is all there in the newspapers of the time, which I read for a living. UW never had control of the new entity, and did not "take over a new campus"! The new entity was controlled by former WSC-M administrators such as Dr. Klotsche, who continued to be Chancellor of the new entity for almost two decades to come; it was part of the deal by which UWM was created, that we be autonomous and not subject to UW as the Extension was. Please do not revert. I have no idea what people in Madison think, nor do I care; I'm here in Milwaukee (room W197 of the UWM Union at the moment). The 50-year history of UWM is one of independence from and competition with Madison.--Orange Mike 00:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter what kind of program UW-Extension offer at that time. A merger is between two independent legal entities. Both UW-Madison and UW-Milwaukee are under the control of the UW board. Please be sure you know what you are talking about. By the way, could you take your crap somewhere else? Nobody is interested in these nonsense. Miaers 00:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)