Talk:East Rock (neighborhood)

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[edit] Propose merging Cedar Hill, Connecticut into East Rock (neighborhood)

I think the Cedar Hill neighborhood article should be merged into the East Rock neighborhood article. This issue has already been discussed to some extent at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:StAkAr_Karnak#Cedar_Hill_Area .

Geographically, the Cedar Hill area is very small (if you leave out the parts of East Rock Park that seem to be encompassed in the boundaries defined on the article page, although renamed "Indian Head Rock" for purposes of the article). It is clear that the Cedar Hill area (essentially, as I understand it, this is the section of the city of New Haven that lies between the Mill River and East Rock on the west, the I-91 connector on the south, and the rail yards on the east) has concerns very different from those of the larger East Rock neighborhood. However, these unique concerns do not change the fact that the Cedar Hill area is generally considered to be part of the East Rock neighborhood. The laudable existence of a neighborhood association is not sufficient reason to establish a separate encyclopedia entry.

Furthermore, information about the Cedar Hill area seems to be derived almost entirely from the page author's own unpublished research (see Wikipedia:No_original_research) and the neighborhood association website (which in turn links to the Wikipedia article for "Cedar Hill history"), making the article a questionable contribution.

I think that the information in the Cedar Hill article (with suitable source attribution, of course) would "work" well as a component of the East Rock neighborhood article. --orlady 23:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Support - I did some work on the Cedar Hill article, but it was mostly reorganizing the content. I am familliar with the area and a merge seems to make sense. It is unfortunate that the sources are not available. -- StAkAr Karnak 01:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why Cedar Hill should have it's own page

No, I was the one that put this up. My area has been ignored by people from the East Rock Area for a hundred years that area has stolen parts of Cedar Hills history and we are trying to reclaim it. If you combine it us with East Rock you need to combine, Prospect Hill, Newhallville, as well! Wooster Street is a small area too. I did all this research to reclaim are history and you want to take it away again????--Happypixie 23:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

PS... We only became part of the East Rock Area 8 years ago, they had the people of our area vote on which area we wanted to be part of. Before that we were part of Fair Haven Area.This fact is why we deserve our own entry because our history is not really part of East Rock--Happypixie 23:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

pss..I will pdf the pages that my info came from in a day or two and attach a link in this section. It is from city report. StAkAr have you gone to the link to our community site we did give you a heads up on our friends page for the work you did with this site.--Happypixie 23:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC) here is a link to the pages I scanned from the Historical Libary on Whitney Ave. New Haven http://cedarhillct.tripod.com/20061205164506.pdf --Happypixie 23:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

And here is a link to some historical maps showing that Cedar Hill has always been Cedar Hill http://cedarhillct.tripod.com/historypics/ --Happypixie 23:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

In any case, the City does not list it is an "official" neighborhood although I do understand why it feels like a separate area from the geography. But unless it is more notable by itself, I think it should be merged where. It should definitely have a separate section though. --Polaron | Talk 00:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

We are working on getting the funding to get a prof. History person to do this the right way we are trying to become a historical district. Polaron did you look at the map on my link?? http://cedarhillct.tripod.com/historypics/ For more than 150 years we are on maps as Cedar Hill. 150 years of maps say that we are Cedar Hill. Our History is the Railroad and the blue colar immigrats that came here to build this city. Were East Rocks is Education and Yale. We have only been part of East Rock for 8 years. We are no long part of fair haven. Thus goes the stuggle of Cedar Hill. But the maps alone should be proof that our area is a separte area from East Rock. --Happypixie 00:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I mean I would rather see a merage than have no info posted at all but it is not part of East Rocks history??? Go on-line enty Cedar Hill, New Haven you will come up with hundreds of pages about the railroad. that is our history.--Happypixie 00:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Just a little side note : when reaserching this at the historical libary I ask the libarian to help me find info on my area. His words were "that is a history that is not going to be found, the info is here but your history is a history that is buried because of the highway going up." (meaning it has not been cataloged) He went on to say that our history contridicted some other areas history's or "claim to history" He is the one that found the city report that I got the info from. PDF attached of the pages he copyed for me. He did say there is alot more info but I did not have the access to that info. We are working with a group in New Haven that is trying to find us someone to help us get that info. The fight to make sure that history is right has been a battle throughout the ages even here in New Haven --Happypixie 00:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry alittle heated :) (this is my passion) But University of Connecticut Libraries Archives & Special Collections UCONN DODD CENTER even has us as our own city. http://www.lib.uconn.edu/online/research/speclib/ASC/findaids/NHRR/nhtrains.htm History of the Records

"The bulk of the New Haven's 20th century records remained in a records center at Cedar Hill, Connecticut." (not new haven but Cedar Hill) Back in the day this area was the heart of New Haven and progress lost it's history. and this is an a Encyclopedia that should save this history not do to this area what time has already done.--Happypixie 01:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


From some preliminary reading I am starting to agree with Happypixie. From the geography alone, it is clear that the outlying sections of the City-designated neighborhoods of East Rock, Mill River, and Quinnipiac Meadows that comprise Cedar Hill area are physically segregated from these other neighborhoods. There is this big hunk of rock between East Rock and Cedar Hill after all. --Polaron | Talk 00:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't tell the players without a scorecard

Are 216.175.168.210, 71.235.82.231, and Happypixie (see User talk:Happypixie) all the same person? --orlady 22:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry:) I will fix its all me StAkAr did show me how to do this to I forgot --Happypixie 23:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I figured you were all the same person, and it did not look like you were trying to deceive anybody. :-) --orlady 00:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)