Talk:East Indians (ethnic group)
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[edit] Forced conversion?
Can citations be please provided to prove use of force for the conversion of these people?
I have books which I consider reliable and which state that Catholic missionaries spent a lot of time and effort at evangelizing them over a long period of years, often more than hundred years, but nothing about the use of force.
Force would also be meaningless, when Portuguese control was only a few kilometers deep on the coast and people who did not wish to be "forced" could easily slip over into more "congenial" neighborhoods!
On a personal note, I am not at all surprised that a "Christian" Goan, who favors India and the humiliations it has unjustly and unwarrantedly imposed upon Goa, out of an implicitly anti-Catholic motivation, and against the Goans who are predominantly a Christian people, brainlessly parrots this vile canard, and passes it off as gospel truth. Speak of Sado-Masochism!
He would make an exemplary recruit to the RSS / VHP / Sangh Parivar.
Or isn't he already there?
What next? Goosesteps? "Heil Hitler"? Narendra Modi is already 90% there!
WikiSceptic 17:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Any Historic facts supporting this article???
The author seems to be more interested in spreading his own version of history than the facts.
For instance the theory that East Indians are Konakni Christians who were forced to speak Marathi and ended up imbibing the language is a fancy theory of a few Konkani Catholics who hate Marathis while living in Maharashtra itself.
CAn the author explain why the Marathas forced the Konkani CAtholics to switch their language but did not force them to change their religion ????
Does he\she mean to say that all Lusitanised Catholics in India(including Gujarathis, Marathis, Mallyalis, Tamils and Bengalis) were originally Konkani???
Also I would advise "WikiSkeptic" to carry on advertising his Catholicism on some appropriate forum, and not treat it as his\her personal playground. Can this proud Catholic explain why he\she is afraid of revealing his\her real name??
And if Wikiskeptic feels that the Portuguese did not convert people by force in their colonies around the world, why is it that their empire is almost entirely catholic: Brazil, Goa, Mozambique, Timor etc . Can Wikiskeptic explain the large scale migration of Konkani Hindus to Canara and MAharashtra during Prtuguese rule??
Regards Deepak D'Souza
[edit] Confusion
East Indians, at least in North America, does not have the same meaning. Will this not lead to confusion?--Filll 18:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources ?
Can someone please add sources for this article ? It discusses the topic in some detail, so hopefully the discussion is based on some verifiable text. Thanks Abecedare 04:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- I was shocked personally when I stumbled across it, to realize there there was another meaning for the phrase East Indians. In North America, we typically talk about East Indians, which are a subset of South Asians obviously, and West Indians, or Carribean peoples, and Indians can mean either the indigenous people of the central part of North America, or people from India or of Indian ancestry.--Filll 04:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Well i'm a Marathi... Even though i'm not in touch with Bombay really, I can affirm much of what is written here is common knowledge in India... Will give you the citations as i find them... As for North America we already have an article Indian American.. perhaps you guys could ask guys like User:Nichalp (probably an East Indian Christian from bombay) User:AMbroodEY and User:NewRockStar who are some Marathi-speaking editors here...
AS for surces do check http://www.east-indians.com and a quick google might also be illuminating... http://www.google.co.in/search?q=East+Indian+community+in+Bombay&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official 219.65.34.250 08:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info and the east-indian link. It certainly establishes usage of the term, but I am not certain whether it will qualify as a reliable source on wikipedia - perhaps if we can even show that the website has been referenced by "mainstream" media that would help ...
- By the way, I am not questioning the veracity of the information in the article, but since the test on wikipedia is verifiability,not truth we do need to add some acceptable sources in order for the information to be taken seriously by a reader. Abecedare 10:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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I concur. I believe "East Indian" is also used in Britain, where there are large numbers of both "East Indian" and "West Indian" immigrants, but I'm not certain of this. john k 06:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The article is correct. East Indians are a Catholics of Maharashtrian origin in coastal Maharashtra around Mumbai. Agreed online references aren't too many, I've pulled some out: [1], [2]. Anyways, this should be posted on the WT:INWNB =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Well much of the article seems alright to me! BTW In Britian Indians are referred to as British Asians rather than East Indians... अमेय आर्यन DaBrood© 13:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Well if there are many communites bearing the "East Indian" tag, the Europeans are to blame. The number of people comming under the East Indian tag in India is unverifyable. My guess is max 2,00,000 Deepak D'Souza 13:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
