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Struck the "Of Nations" part from the Eastern Coalition for reasons explained here Makgraf 02:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

|==USA== It was never clearly stated what happened to the United States beyond 2079. It may not have been outright abolished, but continued to exist as some kind of political or regional entity at least until the formation of a United Earth government in 2150. Celtic Knight

Yes, so why did you change a sentence which said just that, and messed up another completely unrelated sentence at the same time? -- Ritchy 23:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Because the sentence stated that the United States ceased to exist outright, even though there has never been any confirmation of this in any of the series or movies. That sentence did not state that the USA may have survived at least until 2150. As far as the other sentence is concerned, it was stated definatively by Picard in "Encounter at Far Point" that the New United Nations had disbanded in 2079. I didn't mess up a sentence, but instead corrected an erroneous one. Celtic Knight

I don't undestand why all the nations are abolished with the formation of "United Earth" or the "Federation".For me, Federation is Federation,Goverment is Goverment and Organisation is Organisation.The United Earth isn't and never will be the United States of Earth.(Sorry, I'm talking about Star Trek, not about Futurama).Any way, I never considerate The Federation a goverment, but as a Interstelar Organisation; and I see UE more than a simulacro of a goverment or some kind of "Terran Union" as the current European Union.OK, guys thats only MY OPINION.Plase, don't start with acusations,dark sarcasm or vandalism,Just think about it!!!Ever pro & con opinion, just let me know - Bryard@wikipedia.org

Given that the European Union can pass laws binding on European citizens, why are you suggesting that it is not a government? Similarly, the Federation is an interstellar government, complete with a Charter and bill of rights for its citizens. Tfleming (talk) 16:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


The sentence states that 2079 is the last year we know for sure that the USA existed. It doesn't state what, if anything, happened to the USA after that point. It most definitly doesn't say that the USA was abolished. It states, plainly and clearly, the only fact we know — that we know the USA existed in 2079, and don't know anything about it after. As for the second sentence, you'd better re-watch "Encounter at Farpoint", or read the transcript we've included on this page. First of all, it's not Picard that makes the statement, but Q. And he doesn't say that the New United Nations had been abolished, but the United Earth, a completely different organisation — although he says so in reply to a statement about the New United Nations, causing a bit of confusion on what, exactly, has been abolished. This is all explained in the NUN and UE sections on this page. -- Ritchy 15:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


The chapter about UK is clear: UK still exists in ST universe.I belive in this idea: The simple fact to the New United Nations & United Earth have joined one each other to create the United Earth Goverment doesn't supose to mean the extintion of the Earth national states (and his Goverments and Administrative Division,Armed Forces, Law Enforcement Agencies;etc).Well, guys, try to explain that to the Memory Alpha Fanatics!!!User:Bryard 10:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] United Earth

The claim that the United Earth was formed in 2067 seems presumptuous. It is not necessary, and is unsupported, that the United Earth Space Probe Agency is administered by a government called "United Earth". The International Postal Union was created in the late 1800s and operated independently as a multilateral agency between governments before becoming a UN agency when that organization was established. Similarly, there is no support for Q's statement to be referring to a specific entity rather than a movement towards a "united Earth". So while the UESPA may have existed in 2067, there is no source to suggest that the "United Earth" government existed until the early 2100s, consistent with Picard's statement in "Up the Long Ladder" that the European Hegemony was a precursor to it.Tfleming (talk) 16:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USSR

I think he's refering to this image [1]. Guess they brought it back. Makgraf 18:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. However, the fact remains that the plaque was not legible on-screen during the episode, and the information was never said by a character. The plaque, I see from your link, was reproduced in a magazine and in conventions, but that does not count. This appearance of the USSR is simply not canon, sorry. -- Ritchy 18:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. Guess no USSR in the future (though isn't Chekov from Leningrad?) Makgraf 18:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Is he? I see nothing about that in his bio on StarTrek.com, nor on Memory Alpha. And according to the Memory Alpha page on Leningrad, Chekov's birth there is only fanon. -- Ritchy 19:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Leningrad does get mentioned in some TOS episode by Chekov, and in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Morwen - Talk 16:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The existance of Leningrad in the ST universe (assuming it is the city of Leningrad we know) doesn't prove anything. In real life, the city existed long before the USSR, and still exists today now that the USSR has been dissolved. The fact the city still exists in Star Trek's 24th Century doesn't mean the USSR also does.
Moreover, the dialogue only mentions Leningrad, without ever specifying that it is the city we know. If there had been a map of Russia with Leningrad clearly labelled, or an areal shot showing that it is our Leningrad, then it would be different. But as it stands, all this proves is that there is a city called Leningrad somewhere on Earth by the time of Star Trek IV. Whether it is in Russia or somewhere else, whether it is St-Petersburg or another city, whether it is named for Vladimir Lenin or someone else called Lenin, none of this is established. -- Ritchy 18:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
It could be a different city entirely, comemorating a dfferent historical figure. It might be, say, Lennongrad (a suburb of Ringo de Janeiro, perhaps?).  :) Makgraf 03:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research

"Ensign Sam Lavelle's grandfather comes from Canada, meaning that at-least the name has survived into the 24th century." As we don't know how old Lavelle's parents or grandparents were when they had children I don't think it's certain that we know the name survived into the 24th century. On another note, the fact that there's a street address marked "USA, Earth" in 2154 and viewscreen displays of "Arizona, USA, Earth", and "Indiana, USA, Earth" in 2377 do seem relevant. Makgraf 02:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point about Canada. I've changed it to read "23rd or 24th century". I've also restored some of the text Picaroon9288 had deleted and which was not OR in my opinion, including the street address displays. -- Ritchy 14:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Brazil

Dear Wikipedians: I make a little contribution, started a topic about Brazil.But I need a lot of help 'coz I'm a rookie in Wikipedia.Every news about Brazil in Star Trek universe, please, put in the topic.And any help to use Wikipedia, please, take me a hand.TKS - {Bryard (talk) 21:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)}- 5th may 2007 - 18:26 UTC.

[edit] Florida

We could add in the bit about Florida being destroyed by the Xindi? Or was that historical timeline erased? Similarly, I remember seeing something about a bit of America, either the east coast or the west coast, being underwater? Maybe I am totally wrong, but we could mention that here if I'm not? Jdcooper 14:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USSR 2

Why is the "USSR" not mentioned in the article? It was mentioned throughout two Star Trek series as far as I know. Chekhov and Lt. Tom Paris of Voyager. The details can be disputed but what is known for a fact is that some entity initialled "U.S.S.R." exists in the future and Russia(ns) play a significant role within the entity.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 09:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Please feel free to find references for such mentions and add them. And PLEASE see Wikipedia:Signatures.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 19:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)