Talk:Earl of Tyrone
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[edit] Counts of Tyrone
Two things.
- This is an article about a title in the Peerage of Ireland as established by the Kings of England and Ireland. The title of "Earl of Tyrone" was extinguished by attainder in 1614; any successors are pretenders and have no status unless the attainder should be overturned.
- By the same token, the "Counts of Tyrone" of the Spanish Netherlands should have their own article. And I'm not sure why Mary Auguste O'Neill has been placed in the succession; if the title was in fact dormant after her uncle's death, and it was granted to heirs-male, it would pass (unknowingly) to the father of James. This could use clarification and references. Choess 06:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I think Choess is correct on these two items and it has been changed to reflect the Continental nature of the title after 1616. Also, and details of the succession between 1888-1937. She is correct in stating that the ancestor of James was technically the Count. However, titles are not "caught up" in death. So James, as the senior living member of that line of O'Neill, is made the 9th holder of the title; eventhough his line had been eligible for the title 49 years previously.
[edit] Wait, what? 20th century earls?
The list of the first creation ends like this:
- Brian Roe O'Neill, 7th Earl of Tyrone 1616-1685
- Thomas O'Neill, 8th Earl of Tyrone (b.1930)
- His Heir apparent, Francis O'Neill (b.1955)
- Francis' Heir presumptive, his brother, Fearghal O'Neill (b.1962)
What's the deal with those last three? With the 300-year gap? Huh? --Jfruh (talk) 01:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
