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Qatif Fair Use

I can't find the original press release from Aramco, so there's no choice but to treat the newspaper article as the original source. In either case, I'm not sure how this falls under fair use. The wiki article seems to violate one of the key fair use tests: the majority of our content (~75% on quick scan) is taken from the original, copyrighted source. There are no hard and fast rules for fair use, but I don't think we can make a good-faith assumption that the current wiki usage is fair use. Feco 19:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Whatever. -- Eagleamn 21:20, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Satellite photo

No, I haven't NASA satellite photos for these cities. But if I would find some I will upload it. -- Darwinek 19:01, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CPC

Hey, I just recieved your message in my talk page. Sorry for the delay, as I am not really active in Wikipedia lately, but tell me, how is CPC nowadays? I was in CPC around 2000. I don't know how much it has changed, but it was almost the best year in my life. --Khalid 09:57, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, I think things have changed a lot since you've been there (2000). Take a look: http://www.abccpp.com/ (I don't know if the CPC had this link when you were there, and by the way, Coach Brown is the webmaster.. so to speak!) -- Eagleamn 12:30, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Under Ash

I'm sorry, that was just a careless mistake. I've put up something I believe is more factual: ...or America's Army (a recruitment FPS produced by the United States Navy and published by the United States Army). Amerika 00:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Saudi Aramco

What information do you have in regards to Saudi Aramco's revenue, why is it undeclared?



Well, there are no reports or whatsoever that indicate revenue. And since there is no tax system in Saudi Arabia, Aramco simply doesn't have to declare any financial reports anyway. BTW, I have access to Aramco's intranet and I can get any "existing" reports, but there are none.

However, the revenue can be estimated:

1- Crude oil production (currently around 9.5 million) x 365 x oil price per barrel (currently about $50). 2- Associated gas (cubic meter)x price + sulfur (metric ton)x price + hydrocarbon condensate (barrels) x price.

The revenue of crude oil (item 1) is estimated to be around $173 billion. I would say the income of other products contribute just about the same. To sum up, the company revenue is perhaps somewhere around US$300±100 billion per year (oil price makes this figure fluctuate enormously from one year to another, oil prices jumped from US$5.00 (Arabian heavy) in 1998 to US$50.00 in 2005!). Interestingly enough, the budget of Saudi Arabia is US$50 billion, only 16% of Aramco's revenue, which I believe the reason why the revenue is undeclared, though anyone can estimate it roughly. It is definitely NOT US$50b.


Eagleamn 11:22, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

By country

Hi there! I found your userpage classified in {{Category:Wikipedians by country|Saudi Arabia}} - however, that isn't actually a category so it doesn't quite work that way. Please add your information to Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Saudi_Arabia instead. Radiant_* 10:43, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

I already added my information to Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Saudi_Arabia ! Thanks anyway. -- Eagleamn 11:12, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Image source

Thank you for uploading Image:Dhahrantheater.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --AndreasPraefcke 19:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Arabic Spellcheck

Would you mind taking a look at my Arabic spelling of Khairallah Talfah? I tried to sound it out the best I cold, but my Arabic is so poor as to not even warrant an ar-1 tag at this point. --Jpbrenna 01:10, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Ghawar Oil Field

Did you figure out what the problem had been with the Ghawar Oil Field article? The same paragraph of text appeared in the article twice... The second copy of it appeared in the External Links section. I simply excised the second, redundant, misplaced copy. --AStanhope 14:45, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, my mistake. I have immediately erased my comment. -- Eagleamn 17:41, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Today's Arab News

Did you have a chance to see the Green Truth today? Frank Gardner (journalist) who was shot in the head a year ago was going on and on about his fond memories of Saudi Arabia. Being as he was shot in the brain carrier assembly, he is in fact lucky to have any memories at all.

More to business, please feel free to rename the Insurgency page as you like. I do like the word "Timeline" however. [[Paul, in Saudi 12:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)]]


That's interesting isn't it? Terror victims always tend to say good things about terrorists after their experience (if they get to live after it, that is). For example, Giuliana Sgrena thanked her captors in a video, and on the other hand, accused the American forces of deliberately firing at her vehicle. I claim (with no professional knowledge in psychology) that the shock continues afterwards that they believe terrorists can still hurt them.
Regarding the Insurgency in Saudi Arabia page, others have already voted not to move it, and an administrator removed the move template. I'm sure he didn't even read the article, just the move request. -- Eagleamn 20:34, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Volume of large oil storage tanks

Hello fellow future geoscientist. I was wondering if you might know the volume of those large cylindrical oil storage tanks that are seen around refineries (tank farms). It appears to me there are two standard sizes (I think one is 120,000 barrels). I would like to put this information into the barrel article because it might help people visualize large volumes of oil mentioned in some articles. Google was not easy to navigate on this one. Thanks. --Csnewton 12:45, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

"The tank capacities vary depending on type, structure, fluid, and other factors. If you mean the tankage at Ras Tanura Terminal Tank Farms, then you have three different farms with different capacities." -- Eagleamn 10:04, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Richard O'Keefe

I am suprised you put {{speedy}} on Richard O'Keefe article. Unless I am horribly mistaken he is one of few known people who do development of logical languages for quite long time. Pavel Vozenilek 17:54, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I removed the deletion request a few minutes ago. -- Eagleamn 17:56, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Vfd

I thought Vfd was for articles only, not re-directs. Georgia guy 16:21, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • What if it is an unreasonable redirect? -- Eagleamn 16:22, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, I always thought there was Vfd for articles and Rfd for re-directs. Georgia guy 16:24, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks. -- Eagleamn 16:27, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

When doing VfDs, please follow the instructions at [How to list pages for deletion], specially, use step 2 so the voting pages get a link back to the article and voters can see the article, and step 3 so it get listed in the appropiate page and thus people can actually see it. I've fixed Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Additiona_information_over_foreing_Commerce_and_Navigation and Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Comments_of_Japanese_Finanzesand added both to the page listing. drini ☎ 00:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ash Sharqiyah Province

I see you requested a move for this page (to Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia) and... well, I don't see any standard running throughout Wikipedia (see Province) so I don't have anything against the change... as long as all Saudi Arabia provinces are done under the same naming scheme. Although, I am not sure I understand why you want to use the English when others don't. For instance Al Hudud ash Shamaliyah apparently means "The Northern Border" (you speak Arabic, you could verify} and yet it uses the Arabic transliteration. I think we should stick to the Arabic transliteration but the naming format you can change if you want to for all Saudi provinces. gren 18:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • That's exactly what I'm trying to do. There is no standard format for Saudi cities and provinces. I have finished moving all cities (removed the initial "al", even the Arabic Wikipedia discourages the use of "al" in titles and names, it's as awkward as naming an article "The White House" instead of "White House"). However, I was unable to move the Al-Khobar page to Khobar, same applies to the Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia article. -- Eagleamn 19:22, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • Ok, I fixed Khobar, since it was already a redirect you can't just move it... so I switched manually... I would ask two things... 1) that you make sure there is a redirect page under the Al-Article-name article title so that those who know it under thatn name can find it... and 2) that int the intro you do "Al-Khobar" just like we have "The White House", since the definite article is commonly used. But, I agree with you on these issues... For Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia I think we should keep the Arabic but remove the definite article, I don't see why we'd translate that and not attempt to translate everything else... gren 21:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

University of Edinburgh

Hmm, the photo looks the same to me before and after your change. I had reverted it because you moved the first sentence of the paragraph to the end of the paragraph, which make it not make sense; I hadn't noticed the movement of the image. What browser are you using? --Delirium 20:47, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

  • I'm using IE6.0. The place of the image itself has not changed, however there was some space between the heading "History" and the text, so I changed the position of the image link. -- Eagleamn 05:31, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Mahdi Army & Iraqi Arabic (Help with Arabic, Part II)

Hello again! I need some help on two articles.

  1. I was reading articles on Wikipedia, and one article led to another until stumbled upon the Mahdi Army article. I noticed that a) it didn't have the Arabic-alphabet spelling of the name and b)the transliterated name given in the article, which I did my best to render into Arabic, sounds a bit Persian. In Arabic, wouldn't you say "Jaish al Mahdi?" The -e (or -i, or -ee) prefix is used in Persian to denote possession or origin. I think it would mean "The Army of the Mahdi" in Persian, except this is an Iraqi group made up of Arabic-speakers. I wonder if you could take a look at it and correct any errors?
  2. The second is a bit more tricky. The Iraqi Arabic article says that the Iraqi pronunciation is closest to that of the Prophet Muhammad. But my Arabic instructor, who grew up in Iraq, told us that there are many peculiarities of pronunciation (like the pronunciation of كلب as "cheleb", which I mention on the discussion page), that make this seem highly unlikely. I think that either the pronunciation of the Hejaz or possibly even more likely, the Najd, would be closest --- but I'm not an expert on Arabic and have no sources. Any help you can give would be appreciated. (And please note, if you read the discussion page, that while I entitled my comment "This is horse puckey," I am most definitely not trying to insult the Prophet; I am merely trying to express my strong opinion that the article, as currently written, leaves a lot to be desired). --Jpbrenna 06:01, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


  • I fixed the errors in the first article (Mahdi Army). Regarding the second article, I am not very sure about this, but Iraqis indeed have a distinguishable accent/prununciation which I highly doubt to be the same as that of the prophet. At the same time, I don't think Iraqi Arabic is any more "difficult" or "complex" than other dialect of Arabic. And claiming that "It has changed very little, and has kept the closest pronounciation in comparision with all the Arabic varieties" is very dubious because, well, although I'm not familiar with linguistics, I do know they pronounce "k ك" -> "ch" as in "chalam" instead of "kalam كلام". Living in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia, I hear similar instances, but extremely rare, and often in certain cities, probably due to the influence of Persian vocabulary and, hence, prununciation. I conclude from that that the Iraqi Arabic is influenced by Farsi/Persian as well (because of the physical proximity). Note that I have no sources to support my conclusion, however I will try to investigate further.
By the way, I think you are entitled to add AR 1 tag to your user page, based on your understanding of Arabic. -- Eagleamn 17:02, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

{{Saudi-stub}}

Hi - we at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting have just found your new stub template, saudi-stub. Although the template and associated category are well-formed, it should have gone through the standard week's debating process at WP:WSS/C prior to creation. In this case, since it fits in with the stub hierarchy and will probably reach the criterion number of categories (usually regarded as being at least 60 articles and preferably over 100), it is unlikely to be deleted. If you plan to make more stub templates and categories in future, we'd rather you followed the procedures listed at most of the stub-related pages on Wikipedia. I have listed your new stub type at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries, if you would like to comment on it there. Grutness...wha? 07:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

PS - also, if you're marking geographical items to do with Saudi Arabia, please add your new stub to the MEast-geo-stub that's already there. Don't replace the old one (for an explanation of why, see Category talk:Saudi Arabia stubs). Grutness...wha?


BioCOTW Project

You voted for Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria, this weeks' Biography Collaboration of the weeks. Please come and help them become a featured-standard article.

al-Saud or as-Saud (or al-Sa'ūd as-Sa'wd or whatever)

Greetings! There is a project underway to determine the best way to transliterate Arabic into Roman letters in the English Wikipedia. The current draft is at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Arabic), and discussion is ongoing at the talk page. It has been proposed that "al-" be written "as-" when it precedes an S, and you seem to disagree in this case. Why not join the discussion? We could use a wide array of opinions to make the standard as useful as possible. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:45, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Nan (artist)

Please double check the edit history when submitting something as a speedy delete. The above page you tagged because it was blank, was actually blanked by an anon when there was perfectly legitimate info there before that. - Mgm|(talk) 09:59, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Saudi Flag

Hey - saw your (I admit, old) comment on the flag of Saudi Arabia article. I have added some little details but I cannot find much information about the sword itself. dok 10:35, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Categorization

Please see my comments at Talk:Battle of 73 Easting. -- Kirill Lokshin 02:05, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Re:Ahmed Zaki Yamani

Hello Thanks - as far as I know this is not copyvio nor am I an historian. Of course, the biography has been used because of its relative importance but I have checked all areas with other sources. Anything that I have not managed to match up between different sources has been noted. e.g.Yamani's biography suggests... , at one point in hostage incident. In this case I thought best to go with the bio. as this is straight from Yamani- Carlos sources do not provide detail on this point, although admittedly I did not check with the two major Jackal books. Most of my other sources have also been listed. Good luck on your Saudi articles, Sjjb 12:53, 14 September 2005 (UTC)



Image Tagging Image:Reef Road Houses.jpg, Image:RT beach.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Reef Road Houses.jpg, Image:RT beach.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag, so its copyright status is therefore unclear. Please add a tag to let us know its copyright status. (If you created/took the picture then you can use {{gfdl}} to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{fairuse}}.) See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have tagged them, too. Note that any unsourced and untagged imaged will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. --Nv8200p (talk) 20:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

The fairuseunknown tag is no good. There is a debate going on right now if you can claim fair use without knowing the source. I say you can, others say you cannot. You can change the tag and try a fair use claim and see what happens (that's what I do). See Wikipedia:Fair use for help. See the "Rationale" section. Ignore any remarks about having to know the copyright holder. --Nv8200p (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)