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I have seen refrinces to "strange cramps" but nothing much more, i have not really seen dysgraphia in many books anyways! And EVERY dysgraphic i have talked to, i mean had a long talk with has said... yeah it does hurt, but i thought it was just hand cramps. then i ask them, do other cramps feel like that? and they say no. Besides information about dysgraphia is offten just wrong, why shouldn't a bunch of people WITH it oppions count more then "exsperts" who have not done much resurch about it asumptions!

So that is what i think and if you don't like it you will hurt my feelings?

oh and it's REALLY cool to hear from some one who has a PHD and dysgraphia by the way! Actuly it's good to hear from ALL of you!!! To see that your out there!

-Elysia--elysiacw

I have the pain symptom too though I guess I am quite a mild case. I have always hated handwriting, because it always turned out very bad-looking and illegible. Mind that I have a PhD degree (thanks to the keyboards! ;-)) --MirandaSpider 13:08, 17 March 2006 (UTC) I got it, so I should know what it is :P Pellaken 02:05, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have an unusually severe[ case, with no other learning disabilities or neurological disorders. :P--Verxumus 02:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I likewise have it David Formosa is dysgraphic please excuse spelling errors 07:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm just wondering if there are any references for the pain while writing thing. I'm dysgraphic as well and experience that, but I've never actually heard about it being a symptom before. There should be some sort of reference for it other than personal experience. --Matteh (talk) 08:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I am dysgraphic, and I can provide another testimony to the pain symptom. - Pyrosim 23:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am Dysgraphic and I have significant pain while writing. It seems to be related to the fact that (unless I concentrate on relaxing) I slowly tense up on my pencil while writing. This results in muscle pain.

Also, I did not see any mention of the fact the Dysgraphia runs in families DysgraphicProgrammer 21:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I too am dysgraphic, and I too thought the pain was normal.. but it doesnt feel like muscle pain; I dont really know how to describe it... but its not an ache, its not a sting, and its not what most would define as a "pain". We caught it early, so the motor problems arent as bad, but I have this really wierd shaking when I'm trying to hold something like a screwdriver for a long ammount of time. Writing is extremely hard, but I do not have the spelling errors of others who have been diagnosed with this problem. I am a freshman in highschool, and I have known I have had dysgraphia since 4th grade, although I only knew that the pain was different since I wikipedia'd it this past week

nor do I, that definately needs to be added in, I have been diagnosised dysgraphic sincee Iwas 8 and I'm amazed at this page, I never knew it was abnormal to have the pain while writing. I always thought everyone did. anyways, what about the non-writing related symptoms such as the organizational problems?

I am dysgraphic too! A few people in my family have dysgraphia but other then that I have encountered few other dysgraphics. I am so glade that there are so many people that say that there dysgraphia, not because I am happy that your dysgraphia it's just that I make me feel less alone. I feel the pain too, it's not exactly muscle pain though, it doesn’t feel like every other muscle pain I have ever had, it's different! - Elysiacw

I'm also dysgrapic, and I've noticed the minor pain while writing. I also always thought it was normal, and that I'd just been writing for too long. I must have a minor case of the pain itself, since it's usually a minor annoyance (alibet a very effective, distracting one) and only occurs if I've been writing a lot of material at once or for an extended period of time.--Vince Skrapits 22:50, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I get the cramps too. Until recently, I thought it was just normal strain. Umlautbob 16:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Either this aritcle is wrong, or I had dysgraphia when I was six, but grew out of it as I grew older. I remember getting hand pains that I thought were normal and from holding the pencil too tight and general motor dysgraphia, but it was fairly mild and bad handwriting runs in my family anyway; with the exception of one of my siblings, who has always had an extremely odd writing grip. Even though I have very good handwriting now, I still prefer typing because it's faster. NOTE: I also have extremely mild NVLD and so do some other dysgraphics in my family so I think the two sets of symptoms might be related. (209.68.148.253 15:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC))

yeah I am dysgraphic too, The pain while writing is annoying as hell, thankfully I can type almost everything except for notes , and I just don't do the notes because of the pain, and how it is hardly legible at the end. My spelling is also so bad that I frequently baffle spell-check (primarily the Microsoft word one), which forces me to just use a shorter simpler words , which hurts on essay grades.can anyone just in this paragraph I had to get rid of the words "irritateing" with "annoying", "Forunately" with "thankfully", and a bunch more. the only one I found is copy-pasting the words I cant spell into Google, and using it's built in spell check which works so much better, or just guessing 20 times until it is close enough. I even have to edit most my instant-messages in order to make them understandable. Does anyone know of some better solution to this?, like a better spell-check?


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[edit] Genetic?

Any references on it being genetic? Both me and my brother have it, but noone else in either side of the family does.


i want to know if it has anything to do with playing the guitar. because i have been diagnosed with disgraphea but i shred the guitar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.36.25 (talk) 22:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] disgraphia..

me as well. im suffering from disgraphia too. my right hand always failed in writing im begun to noticed it when im on my high school days but now im an employee, few people only know about this. i know it's very rare. i also get fracture in my right arm when im 12 yrs old and its very worse, my bones broke and it gives the stress im feeling now it gives big contribution in my writing disability. what i get is 16 stitches and i know im not normal anymore like my friends its very disavantage for me. I tried to practice my left hand in writing but when im already get it i get bone fractured again in my left wrist while playing basketball. i get 8 stitches and a titanium metal inside to support the bones it is more worse than my right hand i cannot lift any more heavier than 7 lbs., i cannot use any on my hands anymore,it backs to zero again and again. sometimes destiny is bad. i hate writing. when im child i had a potential in drafting and drawing many say that i will be best in that field someday, but it lost and gone now...i had no potential anymore since both of my arms are injured. thanks God. it makes my life like hell. -heavy arms(philippines)

[edit] Female dysgraphic

Being a backwords peep is hard enough as it is, it's even harder when your alone! so it's nice to see you all... So feel free to email me you guys, i think you can, maybe not? if not i will just post again..

i am not spell cheeking this!!! wahooo!

[edit] Any way of checking if you ahve dysgraphia?

I'm begging to suspect I have this, any aid in letting me know for sure?

I went to my doctor because of the pain I felt after writing, who then sent me to a specialist physiician lady, who told me about dysgraphia. Maybe you could do the same? I live in England, however, so this could be different to where you are. Sorry if that was pointless and obvious, and good luck. Voici 19:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I have dysgraphia it was noticed really early on because my mom has it, so I was able to find out that not only do I have Dysgraphia, but also Dyscalculia, Dyslexia and ADD. Needless to say that school has been hard, but I was in a very good school system so I received help from an early start. I had really bad pain in elementry school, but they went away once I reached fith grade, either that or I just got used to them. I am just now in high school and things are not getting easier but I have the feeling they never will. oh well. It's cool to know that there are more people out there that have this problem. Ugahbooness 22:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)Ugahbooness

[edit] Symptoms

I know someone who has dysgraphia. She can read and understand perfectly well, and she can write--in the sense of composition; in other words, she can dictate a letter or exam answer perfectly. But she cannot mechanically spell or write, be it by hand or on a keyboard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.132.233.128 (talk) 00:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

I think I have this as well. I'm currently law school, and I've always scored in the 99% percentile on intelligence tests. I could dictate an exam answer perfectly, and I've won spelling bees... BUT I can't write to save my life. No matter what I do, the words don't seem to sound right. A paragraph of this length generally takes me about 15-20 minutes to write because I can never choose the right words. I can't stand it. No feelings of pain... just difficulty stringing words together.

[edit] advertiseing

This seems far to much like advertisements to me, especially the first part, however I dont want to get rid of it personally , because someone allways blames me for vandalism.





"People who struggle with symptoms of dysgraphia usually benefit from vision therapy. Seventy percent of what a child learns in school is processed through the visual system. Even a minor visual processing problem will interfere with a child or adult performing to their potential and could cause symptoms of dysgraphia.

Symptoms of Vision Problems:

Avoidance of near work

Frequent loss of place

Omits, inserts, or rereads letters/words

Confuses similar looking words

Failure to recognize the same word in the next sentence

If you or your child experiences any of the above, P.A.V.E.® (Parents Active for Vision Education) recommends a learning related vision examination by a behavioral optometrist.

Optometric visual training, frequently called vision therapy or VT, is that part of optometric care devoted to developing, improving and enhancing people's visual performance. Clinical studies on the use and effectiveness of vision therapy are available.

Any struggling student should have a complete evaluation by a behavioral optometrist. Testing should be done at distance and nearpoint to assure that both eyes are working together as a team. Vision is more than clarity, and is a complex combination of learned skills, including tracking, fixation, focus change, binocular fusion and visualization. When all of these are well developed, children and adults can sustain attention, read and write without careless errors, give meaning to what they hear and see, and rely less on movement to stay alert.

To find a qualified Behavioral Optometrist, please visit the (COVD) and the (OEP) websites.

1.College of Optometrists in Vision Development (COVD) This organization serves as the certifying body for Doctors in the Optometric specialty called Behavioral/Developmental/Rehabilitative Optometry. If a doctor chooses, he/she may apply for COVD fellowship after successfully completing a Residency program in Vision Therapy or Binocular Vision or after three years as a Behavioral Clinician. Fellowship is difficult to obtain and is only granted after interviews, publishing and knowledge testing is completed and accepted by a committee. Fellows are certified specialists in vision therapy. If you would like to go directly to their membership directory, click here. http://www.covd.org/membersearch.php

2. Optometric Extension Program (OEP) Foundation The OEP Foundation is an international non-profit organization that serves the educational needs of behavioral optometrists by providing continuing education credits and provides public information about vision care. If you would like to go directly to their referral list of doctors, click here. http://www.healthy.net/oep/OEPSearch.htm"

[edit] Tags added to section titled "Learning related vision problems"

Hi,

I added the POV and Unreferenced section tags to this section, but could have added several more — I just stopped after those two. There are several things objectionable in this section:

  • No citations to support claims {"People who struggle with symptoms of dysgraphia usually benefit from vision therapy")
  • Includes specific recommendations ("Any struggling student should have a complete evaluation by a behavioral optometrist.")
  • Uses 2nd person ("you"), which is unencyclopedic ("If you or your child experiences any of the above ...")
  • No citations for statements of (supposed) fact ("When all of these are well developed, children and adults can sustain attention, read and write without careless errors, give meaning to what they hear and see, and rely less on movement to stay alert.")

In addition, the use of Vision Therapy as a reading or writing intervention is highly controversial. At a minimum, this section should include a statement about the controversy, perhaps including which types of organizations endorse vision therapy and which vehemently assert that using the therapy as an intervention for reading and writing is not supported by research.

Best,

Rosmoran 00:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References needed

I think this article needs quite a bit of work in terms of references throughout--Vannin 06:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I concur, especially the reference to the AlphaSmart product in the treatment. Seems like a cheap attempt at advertisement to me - I'd suggest that this be removed unless a reference indicating that the AlphaSmart is uniquely qualified for use in dysgraphia in a school setting is inserted. 74.77.128.175 (talk) 18:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)