Talk:Dyker Heights, Brooklyn
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A map of NYC showing the boudaries of Dyker Heights is needed. (in the top left corner)
Images of the parks, waterfront and the homes. (right below the desciption of the location)
There are illustrations, photos and floorplans of the Dyker Heights Country Club in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. The club was renamed the Italian American Country Club at some point in the 1930s.
[edit] real estate guide?
jeez, I look at this and I know it was definitely written with the promotion of real estate in mind. The buzzwords of developers and building histories makes this very clear. Hey, put up a little neighborhood history, some hotass century 21 agents' #s, a view of the Verrazano, and you might get a few offers right now.--Screwball23 talk 02:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Suburban?
Is it really appropriate to describe Dyker Heights as "suburban?" According to Wikipedia itself, in the U.S., the term is not commonly applied to areas within the limits of the defining city. And as a native Brooklynite I'd certainly never have described areas within Brooklyn as suburban, except perhaps metaphorically. DeSales 23:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. I made it "suburban-like". —Nricardo 13:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Editoral Comments
User:Cjz208 feels that these editorial comments belong in the article. Anyone have an opinion? CitiCat ♫ 12:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- The comments should be rephrased neutrally and cite sources from the local press (there are plenty that feel this way) or politicians. —Nricardo 18:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Reply from CJZ208 on 00:39, 1 Nov 2007
I tried to answer these as objectively as possible. Let us have a dialogue if anything is not clear or needs to be challenged. If anyone feels that the explanations offered herein could supplement the article than please feel free and add them verbatim or paraphrased.
“Very few of these homes fit into the historic context of Dyker Heights…” 1. Infill homes that are fully and semi attached and some fully detached homes are by definition not in the historical character of original DH because they are:
a. on lots smaller than the minimal lot of DH homes (60X100)
b. of different architectural design (not Queen Anne)
c. built after the initial development stopped (~1902).
2. Infill homes that are fully detached and are of “mini mansion” scale and/or renovated homes
a. Bricking over DH homes takes them out of the historical context. No exterior bricks were used in the original homes.
b. Mediterranean homes/villas are of a totally different architecture, they are not in the Queen Anne style. They represent the southern European character of the neighborhood as it is today; this is different from the northern European character of the neighborhood 110 years ago. Thus it is not historically connected.
3. Condos
a. Do I really need to explain this one?
4. The Saitta House is not in a Historic District
a. If these homes were historically connected, then the Saitta House would be in a Historic District.
“Very few have been constructed with the high level of design, craftsmanship, and materials exhibited by the Saitta House - both inside and out.”
1. The interior of new homes have plaster board. The Saitta house has wainscoting.
2. If infill homes were of equal merit, they too would get listing for their architectural spirit.
“The Saitta House is significant in that it retains a high degree of integrity of location, design, setting, materials, workmanship, feeling, and association.”
1. This is all true, that is why the home was listed on both the state and national register of historic places.
"In addition to the efforts by local government officials to help protect the character of the neighborhood, the community should recognize those who have preserved Dyker Heights’ historic houses through the years.
1. The new zoning was put in place to preserve the character of DH, that is why Bay Ridge has new zoning.
As for the historical society: “The recently established Dyker Heights Historical Society, [this is true, it was established in 2006] associated with the Dyker Heights Civic Association founded in 1928 [this is also true, as that is how it was established], is raising the community’s awareness of its rich historic and architectural heritage [this is also true, as part of the affiliation with the DHCA, the DHHS is editing the Wikipedia article, and lecturing the DHCA, as well as the Bay Ridge Historical Society, and the Society of Old Brooklynites]. The first official action of the Historical Society was the preparation of the Saitta House National Register nomination. [This is true as well.] The Dyker Heights Historical Society will begin to help the residents of this locality finally recognize and appreciate the beauty, quality, and importance of the original homes of Dyker Heights, as well as help them learn about the history to become prouder of this great community [again, true. I lecture and edit this article]. It is important for people to know that the DHHS exists and what it does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjz208 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Let's assume for the minute that you are correct on all accounts. You still can't put something in Wikipedia because "I know it's true", and certainly not "because that's my opinion".
- Wikipedia is not a primary source, it only it supposed to have information that can be attributed to another source.
- Let me put it this way "The Dyker Heights Historical Society will begin to help the residents of this locality finally recognize and appreciate the beauty, quality, and importance of the original homes" is not an acceptable statement. However, "John Doe, the head of the Dyker Heights Historical Society stated in an interview that the society 'will begin to help the residents of this locality finally (etc.)'" is fine, hopefully accompanied by information on where that interview was published. This is all spelled out in WP:NOR CitiCat ♫ 17:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
