User talk:Dwsolo

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1 Edward Gold
2 Image:Delian games 2006.jpg listed for deletion
3 External links
4 License tagging for Image:Elgar The Snow performed by the dwsChorale.ogg
5 Image:Sermisy bonjour mon coeur performed by the dwsChorale.ogg
6 Image:Stanford The bluebird performed by the dwsChorale.ogg
7 Image:Paxton Breathe soft ye winds performed by the dwsChorale.ogg
8 Image:Elgar_The_Snow_performed_by_the_dwsChorale.ogg
9 GFDL question
10 Willoughby
11 Possibly unfree Image:Delian_games_2006.jpg
12 Warning about self promotion
- 12.1 removal of Sermisy_bonjour_mon_coeur_performed_by_the_dwsChorale.ogg
- 12.2 Acknowledgements
13 Audio Barnstar

[edit] Edward Gold

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[edit] Image:Delian games 2006.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Delian games 2006.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 08:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Guy (Help!) 08:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Please do not add links to your own sites, it is considered spamming. I would also urge you not to use Wikipedia for what might be seen as self-promotion. We discourage autobiography. You would, however, be very popular if you were to upload and release some of your recordings into the public domain (provided that you own all the rights to the performance). Guy (Help!) 09:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Guy I have finally worked out how to make an ogg file, which wiki allows. The path is: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Tallis_if_ye_love_me_performed_by_the_dwsChorale.ogg Is that acceptable? Attached now - I trust it's OK?

[edit] License tagging for Image:Elgar The Snow performed by the dwsChorale.ogg

Thanks for uploading Image:Elgar The Snow performed by the dwsChorale.ogg. Wikipedia gets thousands of images uploaded every day, and in order to verify that the images can be legally used on Wikipedia, the source and copyright status must be indicated. Images need to have an image tag applied to the image description page indicating the copyright status of the image. This uniform and easy-to-understand method of indicating the license status allows potential re-users of the images to know what they are allowed to do with the images.

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Tag added

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[edit] Image:Sermisy bonjour mon coeur performed by the dwsChorale.ogg

IF you have release rights on the work/sample concerned, it's recommended that you also upload it to a relevant category on Wikimedia Commons, as well as filing an OTRS permission/formal notification of it's release as GFDL or into the public domain, Please ask an administrator if you need assistance in doing that. ShakespeareFan00 09:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Stanford The bluebird performed by the dwsChorale.ogg

[edit] Image:Paxton Breathe soft ye winds performed by the dwsChorale.ogg

[edit] Image:Elgar_The_Snow_performed_by_the_dwsChorale.ogg

BTW You might also wish to indicate, particularly with more recent works, the status of the basis work. Although Elgar died in 1934 (meaning copyright on his works presumably expired in 2005) it would be helpful to users of the sample. ShakespeareFan00 09:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GFDL question

I received your notification regarding the ogg files that I just uploaded. Apart from adding the tag

(which I have done) is there anything else I should do? If so where do I go? Thanks for your help.

(PS although I mark each page with "watch this page" I never get any notifications of changes in my email - should I do something to enable this?) Dwsolo 09:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

In response to the second part of your question, the watchlist is not sent by email AFIAK, to view it you need to when logged in,

click the 'my wathclist' link in the top right of the Mediawiki interface. The Wathclist would only trackpages on the pages you indicated 'Watch This Page' for.

In response to the first part of your question, at present you have done everything you need to at present,

Filing an OTRS permission would be an ADDITIONAL step, but recommended given the current complex nature of music licensing.

In essence what you need to do is a compile a list of the specific files over which you hold rights and have uploaded (or plan to upload), and are prepared to release under GFDL. That list is then sent along with a some simple boiler plate like " I <name> duly authorised to do so, and having appropriate rights to do so, release the following : <list of files> under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation Licence " to a specfic e-mail address at Wikipedia. You would need to ask an admin what this is e-mail address is ShakespeareFan00 09:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS#Permissions on how to proceed with ShakespeareFan00's advice. Somitho 09:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Further to this the email you would need to contact is permissions@wikimedia.org ShakespeareFan00 10:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Willoughby

David, Lord W. ballad is certainly NOT by Dowland, even though he wrote a set of variations on it.Galassi 13:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC) He also wrote a song for soprano and lute using the entire set of verses. Granted the original song was a folk ballad, but it was through Dowland's lute duet and soprano and lute song both based on that ballad that the piece remains known in the 21st century. Do you agree? DO you also agree that it is therefore relevant to the Dowland page? Dwsolo 13:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

JD only wrote a set a variations on LordW., so your recording is inappropriate. You should record InDarknessLetMeDwell for Wiki, in your baritone preferably.Galassi 11:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Delian_games_2006.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Delian_games_2006.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. howcheng {chat} 17:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning about self promotion

Please stop. If you continue to add promotional material to Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. for self promotion on various music articles.

I was informed that putting GFDL performances was permissible. I am not linking to my own site. There are others that link to their site whereas I am simply providing free performances through wikimedia's own system perfectly legitimately. I don't see what your problem is. Even User JzG, after berating me for originally putting links to my site (now removed) said that it would be a good thing for me to put my performances/recordings on wikimedia commons and link to them - so that is what I have been doing Dwsolo 20:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

The point is you are continually adding music created by yourself, and if someone were to verify where the music came from by looking at your user page they'll find your website. You are definitely not interested in adding the music created by others to build up Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia. You also seem to be using Wikipedia to store your files WP:NOT#REPOSITORY. The only reason you make it GFDL is to promote your work. WP:COI. Jono1970 07:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I shall not put any more up and I have removed my name from the wikimedia links that are still there. I have effectively anonymised them as far as I can.

BTW I am not using wikipedia as a store - the only way to put music on wikipedia is to use ogg files, and I don't use ogg files for anything else: they are no use to me personally since I always use mp3 on my own site. They were made especially for wikipedia because User JzG specifically suggested that I should upload to wikimedia (rather than linking) and I discovered that the only way I could do so was to create ogg files.

Dwsolo 10:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

Hey, I just want to say that your additions are appreciated, and thank you for uploading them to Wikipedia and putting them under a free license. I do think it's better not to put your name on the pages themselves, since we don't do that for writers or photographers, and credit is meant to be given on the "image" pages. I would remind Jono to remember to assume good faith of other contributors. Cheers, Mak (talk) 13:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

To Dwsolo: you are not spamming, your contributions are absolutely appreciated, and we postively encourage people to create their own media and add them to articles that need them, provided they are licensed appropriately: this is exactly what you have been doing, so good for you, and please continue! Moreschi ^Talk 14:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks to Mak and Moreschi for your kind support :-) Dwsolo 15:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

Dear all, I would assume good faith if there are a few instances of uploading one's own music etc. but Dwsolo has engaged in a long history of uploading his own music http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Dwsolo . As I said if he is so knowledgeable about the music he hasn't bothered to do hardly any text contributions. It's not spamming but it's a high degree of self promotion. As for making it a store, I'm more talking about the user page. Anyone can upload their own music but when it comes to an exercise of purely uploading your own works at every opportunity is self promotion. Jono1970 05:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

No it isn't. It is not self-promotion. It is improving the encyclopedia. We need these audio files. Doesn't matter how many he uploads. You can put them on your userpage as well, by the way. To Dwsolo - please continue to upload this media. You are doing the right thing. Jono1970 is severely testing my patience by this unjustified harassment. He needs to stop it, right now. If the media improves the encyclopedia, ulterior motives are irrelevant, even if I assumed bad faith as well. Moreschi ^Talk 11:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

As I said, I shall not be uploading any more.

As to adding text, I am not as knowledgeable as you suppose and have nothing to add to those encyclopedia articles apart from my interpretations, which are there by way of illustration. I leave text to those who are more knowledgeable.

Anyway, I hope that what I have put on the English wikipedia can stay and I assure you that that's all. Dwsolo 06:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

Thanks again, Moreschi. There are quite enough uploaded at the moment I fancy, but if you have any special requests later on please let me know by email :-)

Meanwhile I shall have a bit of a rest and maybe do some composing of my own.

Kind regards

Dwsolo 13:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Greetings: just adding my voice here. Dwsolo's contributions are a welcome addition to the project, as long as they are given a free license, as they are, and as long as his name does not appear in the mainspace, and I do not see it. Thank you for recording and uploading these: we need more people doing this. Free content is how we survive and grow. Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 04:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dwsolo -- I wanted to echo Antandrus, Moreschi, and Mak -- thanks for your audio contributions to articles -- I was just enjoying your El Grillo the other day. I think Jono is misunderstanding the differences between article and media contributions. I think that in the "Media" section, the names of performers are acceptable, at least I've seen them there for many non-WP created media (there's a lot of U.S. Air Force Band recordings, and they're usually credited on the main page); but I think WP aliases should be avoided and names of groups should only be used if they exist outside WP. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mike and Andtandrus. Although the dwsChorale exists outside WP I'll refrain from adding it in the credits for now in view of the obvious problem that some other WP moderators have in distinguishing bona fide material from advertising :-) Glad you enjoyed El Grillo :-)

Well, David, as the one who advised you to upload rather than link, I'd like to say that I'm pleased you have chosen to do this - free content is all good. But it is disappointing that you have not chosen to go beyond this and add to the articles themselves; the fact that you have yet to make any significant edits that are unrelated to your own interests does give a strong appearance of self-promotion, as I think you'd have to acknowledge. This is not evil, most of us come to Wikipedia to pick up on some personal interest, but the mark of a good Wikipedian is that we then reach further and add knowledge or work in other ways to improve the general content outside of our narrow personal interest. The best way to defuse allegations of self-promotion, then, is to go to your music library and add material. Here are a couple of suggestions: there are a number of topics in the music categories that are much less comprehensive that the entries in Grove and other references; if you have a copy of Grove, you could help polish and reference those articles. We have endless articles on pap music which will be forgotten tomorrow (if it lasts even that long), many fewer on music which has remained in performance for hundreds of years. Another thing you could do is to upload scans of notable passages of music. I added Image:Duruflé-Requiem-Kirie.jpg with some critical commentary in Requiem (Duruflé). You could do the same. Short excerpts for clearly defined critical commentary, such as a section of Spem which shows the interweaving of the parts, help immeasurably to improve the understanding of the subject. On my to-do list is combing through my library of around a thousand (wow, I was surprised by that, where did they all come from?) scores and songbooks to add value to articles. You can do this as well. Or you could restrict yourself to discussing yourself, adding your name to articles, and adding your own performances, and be dismissed in the end as a self-promoter. Which would be a shame. Guy (Help!) 18:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Guy. Well I'm a performer and composer and not a musicologist. I don't possess a Groves or any other such work and I have never seriously studied the history of music. I offer what I have: my interpretations, not what I might glean from works of reference. Anyone can glean information from works of reference, so my humble gleanings would not add to the wikipedia anything that cannot be added by more knowledgeable people with greater historical insight. Everyone has something different to offer the wikiworld, I offer what I have, not what anyone else can obtain simply by dint of research.

Regarding Spem in Alium, You can, if you like, visualise the interweavings within the recording itself on my own site, (which I link to here but not to the Spem page:

Spem in Alium - the recording there is in need of attention, but it is nevertheless quite interesting as a one-man performance - there may be a better version soon, with assistance from a friend). If you feel that the visualisations there are of any value feel free to add them to the Spem page yourself.

Kind regards

Dwsolo 18:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

I agree with Guy's comments wholeheartedly, I have no problem with anonymous uploaded content but the fact that Dwsolo has almost entirely been uploading his own works (and previously linking to his website) and not contributing to the text of articles is why I think there is a strong element of self promotion (and I don't mean spamming). This is no different from say a painter uploading his/her own reproductions of famous works onto Wikimedia. You many not be a musicologist Dwsolo, but you obviously have a strong interest and understanding for music, and you are more than welcome to contribute to any music (or other) article in Wikipedia. Jono1970 00:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the perception that DWS's uploads could create for someone who hasn't listened to them, and I also agree that we shouldn't leave editing of music articles to the professional musicologists (they've, er, we've already made a mess of too many other things), but I don't think that anyone should be pressured to making the types of contributions they don't feel qualified to or don't want to. I'd rather have someone joyfully recording and uploading some Ravenscroft canons rather than grudgingly correcting commas on the article.

I think true self promotion would be the adding of a twentieth recording to a page with too many, or insisting that their performance be used on the page and not someone else's. As long as for the most part Dwsolo is adding the first work or two to pages that could really use some, it seems fine. And, I think linking to DWS and attributing to him may be part of WP's requirement under the GFDL.

It's too bad there's not a collaborative overdubbing/editing service on WP: I think that a few of the pieces could sound a bit better if you recorded most of the parts but then had someone else overdub a superius (mezzo-soprano) on top. :) I wonder if collaborative recording could make that possible. Best, -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 05:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removal of Sermisy_bonjour_mon_coeur_performed_by_the_dwsChorale.ogg

Why did you remove your recording of this from the Sermisy article? Rigadoun (talk) 19:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, it was originally a silly mistake on my part, the song was by Lassus not Sermisy. Sorry .... At some point I'll reupload to the Lassus page (but I'll have to rename the file - can it be renamed in situ at wikip/media or does it have to be reuploaded?) BTW I do have some songs that really are by Sermisy, but there should be a link to the Classical Music Archives (www.prs.com) for those, since they are all stored there Dwsolo 05:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, of course...I think it can be moved at the commons but I'm pretty new there so I'm not sure how that's done. Rigadoun (talk) 15:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Acknowledgements

Hi Dwsolo, thanks for bringing that to my attention. Reading your talk page though I'm not sure if linking to your website might be in breach of something. I'm not really au fait with all the ins and outs of this kind of thing but it's reasonable to say who did the song so I will do that. Just checking, it's the dwsChorale, is it?

Perhaps if there is enough credibility from third party sources there might be enough to create an article on the work of your group? Provided it avoids the self-promo, vested interest, not a fan site tags etc etc and meets the objectivity/notability requirements. Just a thought. Cheers Julia Rossi (talk) 01:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)'s

I've put you as in User:Dwsolo with thanks on my user page so I hope that's okay, and summary of what's here after your note on my talk page, to keep the thread of it. I linked to your user page so people will find your website anyway. All cool I hope : ) What you do is very interesting. Best, Julia Rossi (talk) 01:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Julia I think that's probably the best solution. I did do my own Wiki page once but it was removed on grounds of self-promotion; however, various Wiki-pages do contain valid wikimedia versions (ogg files) of performances by my one-man choir dwsChorale, most of which were (eventually) accepted by editors here. So we can leave it at that for now. Many thanks.

Dwsolo (talk) 05:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Audio Barnstar

		The Audio Barnstar
		You are awarded an Audio Barnstar for the many a capella audio files you performed on, recorded, mixed and uploaded. Thank you very much! Channel ® 22:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks :-)

I've added it to my personal page :-)

Dwsolo (talk) 09:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)