Talk:Dwight Morrow High School

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[edit] Point-of-view tag

While the resource section provides verifiability for some of the problems facing the school, the tone is a bit excessively POV, and some of the statements are not verifiable. OhNoitsJamieTalk 20:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I attended the school and graduated from it a few years back. The school does face these major problems. From what I understand, violent incidents have dropped of to near average numbers since I graduated, or maybe even below it. Though other problems from the school have increased such as construction and overcrowding in some classrooms. As well as HSPA (NJ states tests) passage rates were only around 20% in 2004, though passage rates have increased as of now. Dmhsgarduate2006 00:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I have edited the article to include new data and new facts, as well as to be more neutral. Dmhsgarduate2006 20:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Response The edits made by Dmhsgarduate2006 are a good start, but I think it still needs some work. Here's a sampling of some of the statements that are not sourced and probably not verifiable:
  • "Many parents feared to send their kids to this High School. Majority of parents in Englewood and virtually all parents in Englewood Cliffs even to this day send their kids to private schools. "
  • "Dwight Morrow got worse with frequent protests, overcrowded classrooms and underqualified teachers."
  • "Many current students and teachers have expressed feelings at times that there seems to be very little hope that Dwight Morrow High School will ever improve in the future."
I realize that you are very familiar with the school, but we still have to follow Wikipedia's rules for verifiability; in other words, statements that you (and others who've graduated from the school) feel are "common knowledge" have to be backed up with sources. It's not good enough to simply qualify statements via "most people say...", etc.
The links in the resource section provide verifiability to the schools problems in general. Here's an example from one of the articles:
'These are the contrasts noted in the state's report issued just before the holiday last week: '
'Academies@Englewood: longer school day, rigorous and engaging core academic curriculum, technology, upgraded classroom materials and equipment not available to Dwight Morrow students, climate reflecting high expectations, inviting classrooms. "Students are spirited and proud of their school and opportunities."'
'Dwight Morrow: "a climate of high expectations, support and standards is not evident," lack of classroom equipment and technology, in many classes students are either not engaged at all or are engaged in below grade-level assignments, students arrive late to school and to classes.
This article (whose source is a state report) is a good source for highlighting differences (and problems). It's better to stick with verifiable statements like that versus "everyone says"-types of statements. OhNoitsJamieTalk 20:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

The statement from a local assemblyman, John Rooney in the artcile, "white students from Englewood Cliffs, the district trying to end its obligation to send its students to Dwight Morrow, feared for their safety at the heavily minority institution." Comes from the following subscription only site, you can see some of the artcile at this address, http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1P1:22442449&num=1&ctrlInfo=Round19%3AMode19b%3ASR%3AResult&ao=&FreePremium=BOTH Dmhsgarduate2006 20:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged sentences needing sources in the article and made a few copyedits, mostly for wording. OhNoitsJamieTalk 21:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is were I got the sources from, http://www.geocities.com/ebgold/ On that site it states, "There were more violent incidents reported at DMHS than any other school in Bergen County in the 1991-92 school year, and test scores remained painfully low.188" With 188 being the reference number cited in the page. I have added otehr citations, though the page may need major clean up. Dmhsgarduate2006 22:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


comment: This article still seems very biased, and agenda-based. It seems as though its fully against the Academies@Englewood.

[edit] Extra Paragraph

Before you add anything into this article Dwight Morrow High School, please show some sources. There appears to be no sources cited in what you said. The rest of the article is based entirely on newspaper reports that have appeared in the bergen record and other newspapers over the past 15 years. All of it can be cited in the papers. If you would like to add that paragraph, please show a source. And please leave out POV statements such as, "they use their books as doorsteps." Thanks. This is an encyclopedia, not an opinion section of the paper. Everything must be cited and have sources. Dmhsgarduate2006 00:45, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding my sources, I am a neutral observer to the events at Dwight Morrow and Academies@Englewood. The statement regarding the use of textbooks as doorstops is not a point of view, it is a fact that is verifiable by numerous teachers and students. And, if you really are a graduate of Dwight Morrow (and didn't drop out like many students do,) then, you are a biased source. Am I correct in assuming that people adding things or deleting things are supposed to be neutral and unbiased? Also, you stated that this is not an opinon section, however, some sources cited in this article are from the Opinion section of the Bergen Record. Dmhs This comment was unsigned but left by user DMHS on his or her talk page.
The point is that everything in wikipedia must be verifiable from a published source. The bergen record is a published source. If what you stated can be found in a published source, then you can cite that material. But if you are the primary source and the information can not be verified, then that can not be included in the article. Everything in Wikipedia must be verifiable by a published source. Dmhsgarduate2006 23:50, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV/history

I seriously doubt that the DMHS/AE conflict is the only important part of Dwight-Morrow history. In fact, this article doesn't reflect any aspect of the school aside from the funding issues and AE conflict.

Example of what else besides this whole BS could be important:

  • The tower was used for outside scenery for Sabrina the Teenage Witch
  • The date the South Building was built (or even mention how there are two buildings on the campus)
  • Name of the yearbook
  • The name of the principal
  • The status quo of the literary magazine
  • The arrows on campus lawn
  • Conflict with the lockers and the doors
  • Any prominent clubs on campus like the Tower Players or the Dwights
  • Any annual campus events

Also, this article does not mention Academies @ Englewood by its name. It doesn't describe what it is. It only refers to the Academies (capitalized, just so you know) as "academies" or "A@E."

This article seems like a random outlet of anger towards A@E. No interesting tidbits that I didn't know - Instead of being an article, it's only a very biased history and random outlet of anger and bitter feelings towards the social injustice. And that paragraph about social wrongs should be deleted - they haven't officially made that statement just yet.

I graduated from the High School before the academies were even established at the school. My username says 2006 only because I created that username in 2006. I graduated from that school a long time ago. So it would be impossible for this to be an outlet off anger towards the academies. I have not even seen the DMHS campus in years. The only parts included in this article are the parts that aroused the most interest from the local media. This high school has been in the Bergen record well over 3,000 times since 1995 and the number 1 reason is for the desegeragation issues. This high school has even made it into the NY times a few times mostly because of the racial issues. Once there was a huge three alarm blaze at the school, back in 2000 or 2001 and this high school was featured on all major network's news in New York City. Some networks focused more on the 'racial' issues facing the school than the actual blaze. This high school is known for its social and racial problems though out northern New Jersey. That is why this article focuses on just that. But i will include the extra trivial stuff that you mentioned though. Dmhsgarduate2006 22:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watch out for Vandalism

This article has been repeatedly vandalized by pro Academies @ Englewood students. The most recent case was that somebody wrote, "We deal with stupid niggers and spics" in the future plans section. That person was refering to how Academies @ Englewood students have to deal with Dwight Morrow students. That same person came back a few moments later and removed the notable alumni section for some reason.

Earlier, other pro-Academies @ Englewood people had written stuff to degrade Dwight Morrow High School students. Those of you who are vandalizing this page, please stop. Dmhsgarduate2006 10:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Facts required regarding Fires

The sentence regarding fires and vandalism tends to single out Dwight Morrow only. There are no more or less vandalism and fires at Dwight Morrow than there are at other high schools in Bergen County (which I may add go unreported so as not to damage the reputation of the high school and/or community.njlincolnlion 19:15, 30 June 2006 {UTC) so if they go unreported, how is it that you have knowledge of them?

[edit] Neutrality of this article should be marked as disputed

This article CLEARLY does not express both sides of the Dwight Morrow/Academies@Englewood conflict. I have to ask the admins, please mark this page with a "The Neutrality of This Article is Disputed". All this article seems to be is not an informational page about the school itself, but only about how DMHS students are "mistreated" or whatnot without even showing both sides of a conflict. Either A@E's position on the "Current Situation" should be shown, or the page should be marked as "Neutrality Disputed" ANTIbias 05:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)