Talk:Dutch declension

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Contents 1 Dutch declensions??? 2 REWRITE 3 The reverts to misleading information 4 Incorporating historical information 5 POV

[edit] Dutch declensions???

I'm a native speaker of Dutch. The declensions proposed here are archaic or even wrong nowadays! Normally we do NOT use cases (except for certain pronouns, like English), although in certain expressions (idiomatic expressions) part of the old case system is retained, - e.g. 's morgens (in the morning) (des morgens sounds incredibly archaic) - or as style - e.g. ten tonele verschijnen (≡ op het toneel verschijnen) (appear on stage). There is no nominative-accusative opposition at all.

Furthermore, I found a locative case for pronouns. I wouldn't even (like everyone) be able to UNDERSTAND the forms suggested here.

This article needs extensive cleanup, as to let it reflect the Dutch used in 2006.

--JorisvS 16:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, SCAVANGER, BUT IT IS RUDE JUST DELETING MY COMMENT! I suggest that you learn Dutch first.

[edit] REWRITE

This page is a laugh and a shame. Is this supposed to be Dutch declension? This page is simply an examply how Dutch would look like with a declension system (as in a modern one) I will rewrite this article completely in a couple of days. I'm afraid only bits of this page will be saved as examples of complex or poetic use of the Dutch language. To whoever wrote this, I hope you're not Dutch. Rex 16:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Finally! I wish I knew more Dutch to contribute. It's good to see it's going to be rewritten and will not mislead anyone in future. matt-(my page-leave me a message) 17:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The reverts to misleading information

What's with the reverts to the page? The page written by Rex Germanus is factually correct. Now it's not about Dutch we're speaking today anymore. matt-(my page-leave me a message) 15:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Really matt I wish I knew, some anynymous IP keeps reverting this page to archaic and incorrect grammar. This IP never responds to edit summaries ... its just very weird.Rex 15:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems to me that this page isn't so factual correct at all. Added the sign that this page is lacking (a lot of) references. I think we best translate the pages on http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Grammatica

134.184.49.146 17:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incorporating historical information

I understand (based on comments here and at Archaic Dutch Declension and so forth) that some are trying to incorporate outdated material about the declensions, and so forth. Is it possible to make this page incorporate historical patterns like English declension? English declension seems pretty similar to Dutch in the degree of simplicity and the fact it came from a more complicated pattern. There's some difficulty, as explained at Talk:Archaic Dutch Declension, that the history of Dutch makes it hard to pinpoint clearly the declension system used at specific times. That author did provide some references for older declension patterns; Archaic Dutch Declension is not referenced and apparently erroneous (or at least misleading). Rigadoun (talk) 15:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree; the article had no clear "mission statement", so to say. I've been doing a partial rewrite over the last couple of days. Hopefully, at this point, the article is somewhat less confusing and more informative. Iblardi 20:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

The view of this article does not coincide with Dutch sources (e.g. Dutch Wikipedia)

What do you mean? There is no corresponding page on Dutch Wikipedia. Why exactly did you place the POV-tag? Can you be more explicit? Iblardi 20:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The Dutch wikipedia is not a definitive source. period. matt-(my page-leave me a message) 13:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

This article does not reflect in any words the views described on the Dutch Wikipedia. It seems to me, that some is wishing cases disappeared from Dutch, although this is certainly not the case. I demand this article be reviewed, so that it reflects the views of the Dutch Wikipedia.

Well, instead of replacing the entire article you might just want to discuss those parts that you don't agree with. That would be a more constructive approach. Iblardi 13:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

And instead of agreeing with the views of Dutch wikipedia, try agreeing with the views of more reliable sources. matt-(my page-leave me a message) 18:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree (?!), if there be one place where noone speaks Dutch, it would be Dutch wikipedia?! If you want to buy bread, never go to the baker's! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.39.64.38 (talk) 17:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

This is not about speaking Dutch, it is about sourcing one's claims. Anyone can claim anything on any language's Wikipedia. This does not make it a fact per se. Iblardi 18:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)