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[edit] Edible Cannabis

I think that it is important to include information on the production and consumption of foods which include Cannabis in the Netherlands. It is a unique part of the Dutch culinary tradition, especially when one considers that it is the only western nation where one may enjoy such delicacies legally. Hash, the resin of Cannabis buds, is frequently incorporated into such foods as fudge and cupcakes, whereas the bud itself is most frequently used in the preparation of butter and thereby in many baked goods and dishes. The variety of products alone warrants the effort, and the consequent ups and downs of the marketing and consumption of these products broadens the scope of the issue. Thanks.

Harrisonburg, Va. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.253.189 (talk) 18:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs to be updated

I've removed some of the linguistic errors. The writer of this article obviously loves to use the word "include" for just about anything and cannot get enough of splitting phrases with commas. This article should be completely rewritten by another native engl. speaker (I don't have time for this), as it sounds a bit lobotomized (or translate-word-by-word-dictionary-style).

Thank you!

Annette - San Francisco, CA

[edit] I removed the following

The Italian, Surinam, and Japanese cuisine are not seen as belonging to Dutch cuisine, somewhat in contrast to certain Dutch East Indian dishes. This not an article about food consumed in the Netherlands.

"Apart from Indonisian food, also mediterranean (especially Italian) food is quite popular nowadays, and the Surinam, Indian and Japanese cuisine seem to be rising in popularity."

Andries 20:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You might however include it in the context that the familiarity of the Dutch with their original Dutch cuisine is brought down to a large extent due to the popularity of foreign cuisines. How many people do you know that have tasted bloedworst, hete bliksem, roggebrood or grutjes? SietskeEN 13:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
very true, but may be we should only write down this generalization if there is a source for it. I am not saying that perfect sourcing is important for everything in this article, but it may be important for making such a generalizations. Andries 18:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this article should make a distinction between traditional Dutch cuisine and the multicultural contemporary Dutch cuisine. Andries (talk) 07:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neerlandicism

"When concerning alcoholic beverages" is a Neerlandicism or "Dunglish", a bad translation of the Dutch "Waar het gaat over alcoholische dranken ..." I've removed it. C mon 16:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

If I remember correctly I wrote that senstence, and I didn't translate it. To me it sounds like perfectly good English. Given the fact that you're a native Dutch speaker as well it might be wise to ask a native.
Rex 16:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
It is correct in itself but it presumes a previous context within the same paragraph...and there isn't.
Like: He likes to eat a lot (imagine a list of food here)When concerning alcoholic beverages his preference would be a simple ale or glass of port.
As you are starting a new paragraph it isn't the correct formulation.--Puppy Zwolle (Puppy) 10:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
It does sound a bit odd. I would phrase such a line using Discussing or Considering. Concerning has something of concern (zorg) in it. But again, an opinion of a Dutchy.... Arnoutf 16:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some cleanup restructure wanted?

To be honest I think this page can be improved. Now it is more or less a collection of lists with little relations. And to be honest a Frikadel is hardly a main dish; nor is Zuurkool (zuurkool stampot is of course). Of course such ingredients are important parts of the main dish, but not the whole thing. If you all agree I will think about how to restructure, and have a look at some other cuisines how they did it. Arnoutf 20:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures of Dutch Food

I hope that my new picture of typical Dutch food more appealing is . . . --Iijjccoo 08:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I think both are pretty ok, but I think the image (i.e. phototechnique) can be improved. Your rooiekool image is very dark (cabbage and meat seem almost black on screen). Also I see light reflecitng from the meal which makes the picture less appealing. Also lack of shadows makes the image very flat, no suggestion of 3D (I guess you ushed a flashlight). This is furhter enhanced by the very top-down view the camera seems to have been positioned almost perpendecularly above the meal. The table is very dark and the wood attracts the attention away from the plate. If you compare this image with the others on the page you may see the difference, e.g. the oliebollen, also from above, but less extremely, image background is a very even, boring green. Lighting is homogenous (so I guess no flash there). Or the tomatoes, taken from the front with little depth sharpness. I hope you agree these photo's as photo's are nicer images. So if you want to improve try things like this: Boring background (white tablecloth) to draw attention to plate. No use of flash but try to get a normal environment (to avoid mirroring light, and leave shadows essential for sense of depth). Take the image from a slightly lower angle (less from above), to increase depth. Just shoot 20 with small variations and take the best. I hope all these ideas did discourage you, because I agree one of those Vlees-Groente-aardappel meals should be on the page, and I am not sure I could make a better picture as easily as comment one. Arnoutf 08:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of pictures of common Dutch meals but at least try to make it look good... we Dutch might only care about how it tastes, but others don't (Hence the Oliebollen and Slagroomtaart pics) I think a ligher surface would change a lot. A white table for example. Rex 08:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, I will try to make a better picture of common Dutch meals with a boring background :-) It will probebly will take a couple of days becourse I'm fat up eating typical Dutch. Next week I will eat Dutch again, the rest of this week it will be Piza and pasta :-)--Iijjccoo 11:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I will keep my camera at hand, next time I serve dinner with "kapucijners met spek en piccalilly"! I'll try to make a salad too, in order to gain a more colorful picture... :-) SietskeEN 10:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Though it's not really a picture of food, I include it here. The picture of the tea a that of a cup of tea with milk. Dutch people don't drink tea with milk, that is English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.90.42.250 (talk) 19:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)