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[edit] RCM Disappointment

All of the other paragraphs that talk about the various albums released by the Durans editorialize about their commercial reception except for RCM. I think it may be time to engage in a little editorialization. RCM has sold fewer copies than even Liberty:

Duran Duran's Red Carpet Massacre bows at #36 with sales reported at 28,800[1] (November 21, 2007 - I doubt they've sold substantially more)

Well I think it actually sold more than Liberty cause the sales moved up to 80,000 copies. And the album is still considered a hit. Also Falling down seems to be a hit as well in U.S. Both the album and the single did better in the U.S. than in U.K. In Italy however the album did very well as well as Falling down. Hopefully Nite runner will do better.Yamchaken (talk) 05:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Liberty sold > 900,000 worldwide. - Agentseven (talk) 19:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Dont get me wrong i love the album. But I had a feeling Duran Duran teamming up withe Justin Timberlake was going to be a bad idea. Then I had another bad feeling when Andy Taylor left the band again. I liked the album but Timberlands influene is all over the album. 6 synth pop (talk) 11:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Taylor, Roger Taylor

Roger Taylor is "wiki-linked" to the entry for the "other" Roger Taylor, who is the drummer for Queen. It should be noted that these are two different individuals. Is there a way to correct this?

Yes, though it makes it inconvenient when both of them are drummers. We should move the contents of the current Roger Taylor to another article title, perhaps Roger Taylor (Queen), replace the article Roger Taylor with a disambiguation page listing the two, and creating a new Roger Taylor (Duran Duran) page. By the way, could you please sign your posts on talk pages? --Robert Merkel
I have fixed this...
new user (and fan of both Queen and Duran) -- Catherine
I've changed your fix slightly. See Talk:Roger Meddows-Taylor for more info. --fvw 16:28, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)

[edit] Nick Taylor?

Also, the text states: "Warren Cuccurullo stepped in as a guitarist in 1986, and with Le Bon, Rhodes, and Nick and John Taylor produced the hit song Notorious, which went to number 2 in the USA." There is no *Nick Taylor.* Should it have been Andy Taylor? Roger Taylor?

fixed this too -- "Rhodes" and "Nick" are the same person (although his name is really Nick Bates. Go figure.). see Duran Duran -- Catherine


[edit] seems ok

I've read your stuff and enjoyed reading. I didn't see factual errors, you may want to check participation at the Live Aid concert: are you sure they didn't attend the London part of the concert? You may be right though.

Positive on Live Aid -- I have it on tape and they were in Philly -- Power Station (with Duran's John and Andy) was touring the US that summer, and I suspect it was easier for the rest of Duran to come to them than to ship PS's gear overseas and back. PS also performed that day, so John and Andy appeared twice with different acts. Whee for ancient music trivia! Cheers, Catherine | talk 07:11, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Musicians who are influenced by Duran Duran

(Moving this from the article until a better way can be found to integrate it...I don't think it would survive VFD as an article on its own.)

These musicians have stated in articles and interviews that they admire and have been inspired by Duran Duran's music:

[edit] Featured!

Thanks to everyone who voted to make this a featured article! It's a nice reward for hard work by a lot of people. Catherine\talk 17:48, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Name?

What's up with the name Duran Duran? Where did it come from?

It's in the article: "Inspired by one of their favourite Birmingham clubs, Barbarella's, the band took their name from the evil character Dr. Durand-Durand, played by Milo O'Shea in Roger Vadim's sexy science-fiction cult film Barbarella."

Durant-Durand was in J.C. Forest Barbarella comics an obvious reference to "Dupont et Dupond" aka the Thompson twins. Any connection with the band of the same era ? 62.212.105.216 17:03, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There is a discrepancy in that the article gives the name as "Duran-Duran" whereas the Barbarella article spells it as Durand Durand. Which is correct? (IMDB says the latter) - Rob, 16:39, 21 Apr 2005 (GMT)

See the discussion at Talk:Barbarella, which is inconclusive. To recap the discussion thus far, the booklets for both the Region 1 and Region 2 DVDs give the name as "Duran Duran". The opening credits of the Region 1 DVD only identifies the actors, not their roles. The closing credits of the Region 1 DVD does not give a cast list. There are no subtitles for the Region 1 DVD. So, unfortunately, there does not seem to be much evidence either way; that the DVD booklets use "Duran Duran" is not totally conclusive since the DVD booklets were written years after the original making of the movie, by which time the band "Duran Duran" was already well-known, which might have led the booklet writers to use that spelling. —Lowellian (reply) 17:05, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
I've discussed this by email with a member of the artist's estate; he says the character's name in the original comic book and in the movie script was "Durand-Durand", but the final "d" is silent in the French pronunciation. The DVD booklets were in error. — Catherine\talk 05:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] View to a kill - rumour

I've heard that during the View to a Kill video shoot the band members were barely talking to one another - could be urban myth, but I think the video never shows more that one of them on screen at once. Great work on the article, keep it up. Paul M

There was certainly some tension among band members at the time -- as the article says, Roger was ready to give up on the music biz altogether, and Andy was unhappy with the band's direction and ready to launch a solo career (after his successes with Power Station). Still, from my understanding, the "storyline" of the video was proposed and storyboarded by the directors (Godley & Creme) -- the band wasn't responsible for the one-member-at-a-time-ness of it all. Catherine\talk 01:55, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

RE: "Andy was unhappy with the band's direction and ready to launch a solo career". Andy Taylor did do one solo record called Thunder. Should this be mentioned in the main article?

Actually he did two -- there was a second album of covers, called Dangerous. His solo career is covered (briefly) in his own article -- please feel free to add more detail there.
Here, there is a link to Andy's article in the sentence "Guitarist Andy Taylor, on the other hand, led the band to believe he would return to work on a new Duran Duran album even as he was signing a recording contract for a solo career in Los Angeles." I think anyone curious about the solo material will be able to click that link for more detail. This page is already quite long and some fairly significant trimming was necessary when the article was nominated for featured article status; I'd like to try to keep it focused. — Catherine\talk 07:12, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External link

Anon user, please stop inserting the link for the Duran Duran 'DURANMANIA' Website at cjb.net. Discussion forums are not considered useful links for band sites. Even if forum sites were to be included, there are far more notable and heavily trafficked DD message boards; the cjb board has less than 400 posts total. I appreciate the desire to advertise your sites (including the one you continue to post at the Kajagoogoo article) but Wikipedia is not the venue for advertising of websites.

Please see the policies outlined at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:External links, and theWikipedia:FAQ - external links.

You have added this link eleven times since it was first removed on November 28, 2004, and moved it above some of the official band sites in the list when I made attempts to compromise by classifying it under "fansites" or at the bottom of the list. It will continue to be removed. Please do not add it again. — Catherine\talk 09:08, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

I created a navigational template for the Dream Theater article, {{Dream Theater}}, that might be of use to the Duran Duran article (and its related pages). The Iron Maiden and Rush articles use the same template style, and it seems to work well for bands with many members and releases. Someone with enough knowledge to complete it for Duran Duran should consider doing so, it is very useful. plattopustalk 02:28, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Call yourselves music fans!

...and yet nobody spotted the mistake on the introduction which I have just edited. Andy Taylor, not John, plays bass. Such is this the case that he is an excellent bassist, an unsung hero at that. Celtmist 15-10-05

I'm sorry, I believe you're the one who has mixed up the Taylors -- easy enough when there's three of them! John Taylor did indeed start the band in 1978 while playing guitar, and is credited that way on the J-cards for their earliest demo tapes, but he switched to bass in the first half of 1979 when they recruited Roger Taylor on drums (to replace their drum machine). For corroboration, please see John Taylor's official site, http://www.trusttheprocess.com/ . He describes the history in his own words in the "Scrapbooks" under the "DD Archive" link in the top frame (direct link: [17]) -- you can even see the receipt for the first bass he bought. I have watched the man play his bass live many times, with and without Duran, once in a small club with my nose no more than a foot from the bass strings. I agree wholeheartedly that he's a talented and underrated bassist, and I assure you that his name is John.
Oh, and Andy Taylor's a pretty good guitarist, too.  :) — Catherine\talk 15:43, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Yeah yeah yeah. Cockups are easy to make. John Taylor was the bassist and I mixed the names, either way, the bassist was the fellow who remained in the group until 1998 before returning in the new millennium, where-as Andy and Roger left in the mid 80s originally. Well at least I don't mix the identity of the drummer with the one from Queen! :) Celtmist 16-10-05

[edit] New Wave vs. New Romantic

I've changed the New Romantic link in the lead section back to the broader New Wave music; the term "New Romantic" was a subgenre of New Wave, was almost never used outside the UK, and was only applied to the band for a year or so at the very beginning of their career. The New Romantic link is included in the "origins" section, as it should be, but I don't think it belongs in the lead section, as it doesn't sum up their place (such as it is) in music history as well. New Wave encompasses many more of their contemporaries and competitors. While they're certainly on the list at New Romantic, they've also been on our List of New Wave bands and artists since 2002 (well before my first edit here). Hope that explains my reasoning. Thanks, — Catherine\talk 03:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


I think this is a very bad call. Duran Duran are a British band, and in Britain they are known as a leading New Romantic band. Your suggestion that the term is not widely used in the United States is America-centric and inappropriate. Moreover, in Britain New Wave is a more commercially oriented version of punk associated with the late 1970s; the Eighties music that YOU call New Wave is not referred to in that way in the band's own home country.
This is supposed to be an international encyclopedia, NOT one written by a clique of American writers for a specifically American readership. Please try to adopt a less America-centric perspective.81.19.57.146 15:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gay icons

I would support placing them in a gay icons category. I know they do have a very large gay following, and even in the film American Pie 2 they implied that a night club was gay by playing "A View to a Kill"--68.126.145.15 19:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

But they aren't gay, so how could they be gay icons? Would a gay artist with straight fans be a straight icon? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.126.214.137 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Not also to mention Le Bon is married to a hot supermodel! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.112.2.112 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I would want to see multiple references about their "large gay following" before agreeing to put them in a gay icon category. Otherwise it smacks of POV. Elonka 22:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
?????????? You say "I know they have a very large gay following" .... where does this come from? do you have a source for this?? It seems the sexuality might be part of your opinion rather than fact ????????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.112.2.112 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Duran are not & never have been gay icons, its a complete load of rubbish. Seeing as the only arguement here is that one of their songs was played to implied that a night club was gay in a very cliched juvenile film, doesn't mean that the band are gay icons. I am friends with many gay people & familiar with gay icons & culture, Duran Duran are NOT gay icons, anyone who thinks this is incorrect should at least provode links to back up what they are claiming. It isn't enough just to say "I know they have a very large gay following". (Khanada 22:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC))
Let's go easy on the "rubbish"; we're all trying to make a a better article, and that's the sort of thing that can easily be interpreted as a personal attack. The fact is that I have heard that some people consider them gay icons of a sort -- perhaps not on the level of Judy Garland and such, but it's not completely insane, either. And no, they don't have to be gay themselves to be adopted as an icon by that community. However, as you and Elonka have said, nothing should go into the article unless some firm references are found -- I'll poke around and see what I can find one way or the other. — Catherine\talk 23:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Most Gay Icons are not Gay ie: Madonna, Kylie Minogue, lots of Divas. I just think the gay icon thing with Duran came about from straight people thinking they were gay, nothing to do with being gay icons. Duran Duran's music & image are inconsistent with what gay icons are. Freddie Mercury is as gay as a naval gymnast yet Queen would not be considered a gay icon. (Khanada 00:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC))

A Google search for "duran duran" and "gay icon" turned up only a few links that explicitly make the connection:

  • Gay icons of the 20th century, Eye Weekly (Toronto alternative magazine), near the bottom of the list
  • Queer Eye soundtrack review, ePinions (not a citable source, but illustrative), "Duran Duran were supposedly straight, but their anthems of excess and their elaborate makeup and hairdos make them honorary members of the gay music scene."

Some interesting quotes though: Simon Le Bon: "I suppose we have adopted a certain flamboyance which, for some reason, has always been associated with gay people, and not everybody finds that easy to accept. But again this is just an example of people's attempts to separate everything into categories, to say this is gay but that isn't. It seems very silly to me because, after all, gay people are I exactly the same as everybody else in everything but their sexual habits. The people who insist on this sort of separation must have very closed minds." [18]

Nick Rhodes: “We’ve always had a strong gay following, which is great. It’s not something we ever thought of consciously. Because I just want anyone to get into the band, I’ve never differentiated at all. I think a certain amount of androgyny has always been a part of us. We sort of came out of the things we grew up with: glam-rock, which was a major influence, and then disco and punk rock somewhere along the way. We always had a very strong bond with the gay audience.” The Weekly News, Florida, July 13 2000

So not enough to go on in a cursory Googling, but more information is welcome if anyone would like to provide it. — Catherine\talk 23:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] end of Warren's time in the band

Edited this section today to make it more accurate (they fired him in person and we announced it before they did, against their wishes) and wrap up his time in the band with the Japan dates. -- Cucfan

I think the misapprehension, which I didn't add, came from the (supposedly) direct quote from Warren in the Notorious unauthorized biography, page 263. But I assume you'd know better than most what really happened.  :) I appreciate you setting the record straight. -- Catherine/artslave
I'll try to confirm this with him - if it's in the Notorious bio, it's a direct quote and is much more recent than what he told me back when it was happening and talked about in the "High Times" article (2001) -- CucFan.
The quote says, "We all went back home and the next thing I heard was when a letter arrived by special delivery at my house sacking me from the band. I read it and I was absolutely shocked because no one had said anything to me, I didn't have a f***ing clue. I called Simon straight away and he said, "Sorry, Warren, it's got to be like this" because they were getting the original band together." Hope that helps, — Catherine\talk 17:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electronic

Electronic is not an accurate description of this bands music, Nick Rhodes may have been one of the main forces behind Duran Duran & he is without a doubt an electronic music wizard, most of Duran Durans music has equal measures of bass, lead guitar & keyboards. I have removed the "electronic" tag. (Khanada 12:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC))

And the words "synthesizer driven" are far more accurate with out the need to refer to them as an electonic band. (Khanada 05:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC))
I agree, I had been a bit uneasy about that for a while, but I have always figured I am too close to the music to really judge how the mainstream categorizes them. Thanks for the edit. — Catherine\talk 23:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Single, Discography, related, many comments on that

"Rio (Duran Duran single)" is quite poorly written with no additional info on the single except that on synth use. "The Wild Boys" - you don't have it. "My Own Way", just the infobox and absolutely no info, not even from what album is the single from. Please fill in the missing data, otherwise you don't need that article.

I might have made a few mistakes too but... Hey I'm not responsible for this I don't listen to them, I just converted the infoboxes. And this is a featured article, while their best singles are so lamely described???? This is not vandalism, it is critical commentary on the content.

I have used album infoboxes but if you wan't the infobox containing from what album is it just add "from Album = " after the artist column (row actually, you know what i mean). Example is "Too Much Information" if you even care to do such an update but you can just mention in the text This single is taken from the album.... I don't know from what albums they come, nor have time to search.

If you already have a table for singles then why are they listed before with the same info and with links, and they are not linked in the tables??

So that's it for now. I at least converted the infoboxes since nobody else cares about that! A little thanks on my talk page would be a sign that at least somebody cares? Death2 07:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the work on the infoboxes, and for the comments. Rio (single) has been moved and expanded a bit (needs more work though), The Wild Boys (single) was there, just not under that name, and My Own Way has been expanded. We're slowly working on tidying the rest. Duran Duran discography has been cleaned up too. Any other suggestions? — Catherine\talk 18:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NEW ALBUM (2006)

Did anyone hear the rumour that the new album is called Gloss?

Yep, I've heard it. The name was invented (along with many others) as a joke on the DD.com message boards. Somehow an Italian fan group picked it up, and the rumour ended up being printed in Italian media, and now is being picked up in some English media again.  :) Not that I wouldn't put it past Duran Duran to actually pick it as a title....it sounds like a DD album, doesn't it? Anyway, just a rumour for now -- they're being very close-lipped about the album this time around (and you can be sure they're trying not to let any demos leak like last time, too!) — Catherine\talk 18:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fansite links

These look like they're due for a pruning... I doubt it's spamming but it's not looking too healthy. TheGrappler 20:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair 'nuff, it has grown a bit. The ones I leave will be the ones that really are significant among the fan community. — Catherine\talk 22:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

Shouldn't the first line be "Duran Duran are a English (or british) New Wave band" instead of just "Duran Duran are a New Wave band".

In the infobox, for country it say Birmingham, England instead of just England.

Will fix. — Catherine\talk 02:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earlier songs not mentioned?...

I've searched through Wikipedia and can't find any information about songs that Duran Duran DID produce in 1978 which include Secret Oktober, Faster than light, Fame...etc.

I can remember those three songs, but not any of the others. Does anyone know what the other songs are, and the title of the album?

Jamie

Up until about 1989, Duran Duran 7" and 12" singles always had original songs (or covers not released elsewhere) on the b-side of their singles -- none of those songs were ever released on an album. However, you can now get them on CD in the Singles Box Set 1981-1985 from Capitol/EMI).
  • Planet Earth / Late Bar
  • Careless Memories / Khanada & Fame (a cover of the David Bowie song)
  • Girls on Film / Faster Than Light
  • My Own Way / Like An Angel
  • Hungry Like the Wolf / Careless Memories (live)
  • Save A Prayer / Hold Back the Rain (remix)
  • Rio / The Chauffeur
  • Something I Should Know / Faith in this Colour (instrumental)
  • Union of the Snake / Secret Oktober
  • New Moon on Monday / Tiger Tiger (instrumental)
  • The Reflex / Make Me Smile (Come Up and See Me) - (a cover of the Cockney Rebel song)
  • The Wild Boys / Cracks in the Pavement (live)
  • A View To A Kill / That Fatal Kiss (instrumental version of A View To A Kill)
  • Notorious / Winter Marches On
  • Skin Trade / We Need You
  • All She Wants Is / I Believe-All I Need To Know (medley)


...and then they started using remixes of the single or album tracks as bonus tracks, instead of unique recordings. Hope that helps! — Catherine\talk 16:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 dates and rumours

i like the table of dates for 2006. and i'm glad that the rumour about Andy Taylor was taken down... do people agree that its not a place for rumours? keep up the good work..

I'm slightly uneasy with having timely information like the tour dates in there -- Wikipedia articles in general try not to talk much about future dates, and things like this don't make much sense when a mirror site like answers.com legally copies our content -- those dates might stay up on a mirror site for months after the tour has finished! I'm leaving it for now, as I know that I will be continuing to watch and update this article daily, but dates will be coming down as soon as they have passed.
But yes, I agree wholeheartedly that this isn't the place for rumours -- anyone who wants those can find them by the bucketful at the http://www.duranduran.com Fan Forums message board! No one knows what the heck is going on with Andy right now, and per Wikipedia:Reliable sources it shouldn't be mentioned here until dd.com makes an official announcement. — Catherine\talk 18:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1997-2001 section

Cleaned up some typoes & misspellings, moved the Nick Rhodes vocal comment to the Medazzaland paragraph from the Pop Trash paragraph, added Wes's type of cancer, removed the subjective & uncited Depeche Mode comparison for the Pop Trash album. --- Cucfan

Thanks Cucfan! I think I may move some of that detail to the Medazzaland article; this one is sprawling enough as it is. — Catherine\talk 20:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research?

Some of today's hottest pop stars are most definately taking cues from Duran Duran's blueprint for music video making. Just look at Snoop Dogg's video for "Signs" with Justin Timberlake. Though that particular video was shot on the Las Vegas Strip and not on an exotic beach, the formula that Duran Duran had used is most definately present; beautiful women, sharp dressed men and pleanty of bling. Gwen Stefani's videos for "What You Waiting For?", "Rich Girl" and "Cool" all have a sort of whimsical feel to them, much like Duran Duran's did in the '80s.

Seems pretty much like original research to me. Its not even written properly for an encyclopedia. I think it should be removed.

TommyStardust 17:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Power Station Hard Rocking?

Obviously Power Station was more guitar driven than most Duran Duran material. However, there was still an emphasis on RnB/Funk style dance grooves. I mean they had the drummer from CHIC, how much more funky can you get. The article sounds like they could have been touring with RATT or Motley Crue. (ALV) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.225.143.253 (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC).


[edit] Duran Duran Duran

There is absolutely no need for this page to begin with the phrase

Not to be confused with Duran Duran Duran.

Duran Duran are an internationally famous band who have sold many millions of records. Duran Duran Duran are not. It is almost inconceivable that anyone would mistakenly visit the Duran Duran page looking for such a bunch of nonentities.

It seems to me that the clarification was inserted to advertise Duran Duran Duran to a wider audience, rather than to avoid any confusion. Therefore, it has been removed (twice now). Malcolm Starkey 21:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Not intended as advertising, actually. I've heard of Duran Duran Duran; that's about it. However, I did get the two bands confused for a while, and it seemed possible that someone else might get them mixed up too. Hellbus 22:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

There's a problem to link:

v • d • e
Duran Duran
Simon Le Bon • Nick Rhodes • John Taylor • Roger Taylor
Former members
Albums
Compilations, EPs and remixes
Singles
Videos
Duran Duran Video 45 • Duran Duran • Dancing On The Valentine • Sing Blue Silver • Arena (An Absurd Notion) • The Making of Arena • Three To Get Ready • Working for the Skin Trade • 6ix by 3hree • Decade: Greatest Hits • Extraordinary World • Greatest • Live From London
Related bands
Other

If you go to "Discography", you will enter on [19] Take That's page! User:Rbrandao 14:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it. Hellbus 23:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Praise from Britney and Justin?

Theres a line which stated that Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake both praised the band. Do we have a ref for this? Also, Spears was removed by an anon-IP. Might be vandalism... do we really need to put her back? Template:Emot
xCentaur |  talk  18:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adult Contemporary?

Is this the correct genre to list Duran Duran under? I am leaning towards 'disagree'. RetsRÖftsugua 09:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bands admire duran

hi, found something interesting... a new english band called The Klaxons cited Duran as one of their influences.... "Some things about making the record were more fun than others, but the sound was there from the beginning," Levine says. "U2, Peter Gabriel, the Cure, Duran Duran — their records were huge to me. They're icons, and you respect them not just musically but because of their careers", http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-wk-bands19apr19,0,7778974.story?coll=cl-music-features just thought you might wanna add it to the main article.

[edit] Fan sites and Discussion forums

'Discussion forums are not considered useful links for band sites'

Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.194.44.250 (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Please see Wikipedia:External links. — Catherine\talk 16:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial fansites

I've removed the links to a commercial fan site. Not only should we not link to sites which have products to sell, but this site does not meet reliable sources, and should not be added back to the article — either as a reference or as an External link. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Since the article is no longer at FAR but might go back to FAC, it might now be worth trying to sort out any problems, as FAC will be much tougher than FAR.

  • Ref to note 36?
  • I've taken the liberty of moving those wretched lists of people influenced by Duran Duran into the notes. They were really offputting. In any case, each band would need referencing if the lists required this much prominence. I would suggest cutting them to a few examples and reintroducing them into a proper prose setting. My edit is a bit ragged because I didn't know what "Sandall" referred to: I'd welcome someone tidying that up.
  • I felt there was far too much on the videos, however important they are.
  • Much of the article is very well written and I felt a sense of confidence in all the carefully provided details. On the other hand, some of it is properly referenced and some of it is not. Claims are the greatest problem: this particularly applies to claims of Duran Duran's pioneering role in the field of videos, which is eminently challengeable. When I have time I will remove a number of unreferenced chunks from the article and place them on this talk page (I will tidy the prose so that the removals don't show). I believe this is better than fact-tagging them, which would make an FAC pass impossible. If I place them here, they can be reinserted in the article when references have been found, while the article remains less assailable. qp10qp 17:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • It took me a long time to find the problem with (the former) ref 36; it was a series of other ref tags that were not closed. When using named refs, be sure to close the tag with a slash. The errors were intoduced here, when subsequent named ref tags weren't closed with a slash. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some cut material

It might be best to ref these before putting them back in, since they mainly contain general claims (words like "many"), which should always be reffed clearly.

  • ...envisioning a group with the raw do-it-yourself energy of the Sex Pistols, the dance grooves of Chic, and the elegant style of David Bowie and Roxy Music. (There is a ref at the bottom of the paragraph, but though I can see three of the above mentioned in the source, they aren't, as far as I can see, mentioned in the above way.)
  • Many casual fans never heard of the band’s releases after Notorious and assumed that the band had broken up.
  • The swift commercial and critical success of this album surprised many who considered Duran Duran a purely "Eighties" phenomenon.
  • The rise of the Internet fueled a resurgence in Duran Duran's popularity. Many of the older fans rediscovered the band through Usenet and a growing number of Duran Duran mailing lists and websites, and began catching up on the albums they had missed.
  • Duran Duran’s songs were cheerful, hook-laden pop that fared well on the radio, but what many remember best about Duran Duran are their iconic music videos. Though many of the videos were tongue-in-cheek, the band never quite escaped the glamorous and decadent jet set image projected by their early videos.
  • Duran Duran changed the views of record companies on what a video could accomplish, and influenced other bands' approach to the medium.
  • The band’s videos also broke new ground legally. They were the first band in the UK music business to claim the production costs as write-offs against earnings of their record sales, which the IRS initially disallowed. The band and its management contested the IRS decision all the way to a precedent-setting High Court case, which Duran Duran won. This opened up a whole industry of music video production, further facilitating the synergy of mass marketing and pop music.
  • They were the first major act to provide video screens (pioneered at the US Festival) above the stage to bring the action closer to the audience in the rear.

qp10qp 00:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I have reference material at hand and will work on providing refs for these. Would you please consider leaving things in the article and fact-tagging them for a week or so while I work on this? If I can't find good references they can be removed soon, before any attempt at FAC is made. — Catherine\talk 16:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's it, anyway. I wasn't going to remove anything else. qp10qp 21:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

As a former featured article, I daresay that this article should have a photo of the band. Why was it pulled? Can somebody fix this? 154.20.157.6 10:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

For the last couple of years we had a good, attributed fair-use press kit photo from 2003 (as good a fair use rationale as we are likely to get), but it was deleted as as "replaceable fair use" per the guideline at Wikipedia:Non-free content. A magazine cover was similarly removed. Fan photos of decent quality for this purpose are hard to find -- they are almost all wide-angle concert shots, or "fan with the band" photos.
I have written three times over the last two years to the band's management asking for a freely licensed image, most recently since Andy Taylor has left the band, as there are almost no photos of the current foursome at all, free or not. I have received no response yet.
If you have a better suggestion for where to obtain a good photo, I am all ears! — Catherine\talk 16:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I swapped an image that was already being used in the article and put it into the info box which was looking rather bare. Hope thats ok. (I think it looks good) ♥♪♫♥♪♫ 03:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


"Links normally to be avoided" - What are the exceptions?

[edit] New Romantic

I still dont understand why New Romantic is repeatedly being removed from the list of genres. There may be a dispute whether New Romantic is a musical or just fashion movement or both, but in any case Duran Duran were definetly among its most important exponents. I dont understand why some people find the "New Romantic" label problematic? Its not an insult?! --Dzole (talk) 21:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

opinons vary on that last —Preceding unsigned comment added by A plague of rainbows (talk • contribs) 19:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Because New Romantic was a specific social movement of the very early 1980s which was geocentric to London, UK and involved a relatively small circle of people. A problem is that the media dished out the label to any artiste/group who wore the fashions of that period (and continue to do so erroneously). Subject matter expert editors will remove an incorrect genre on the basis of factual accuracy. As far as Duran Duran are concerned I believe they were, as they referred to themselves as New Romantics in their lyrics and certainly adopted the movement for commercial purposes, but that is a personal opinion not a factual statement. A similar argument has taken place on Talk:The Human League who certainly weren't New Romantics. andi064 T . C 10:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally I love both groups. And in my opinion and many others Human League is New romantic even though they deny this. However Duran Duran is definatly New romantic try to get some of there earlier pictures. They wore alot of make up and hair die and had New romantic fasion. Also like andi064 stated they called themselves New Romantics. But I can see where people might not think that they arent. Some of there videos have shown them witout make up as well as some pictures for the exception of Nick Rhodes. And one band member wearing make up and having New romantic fashion often believes that the whole band isn't New Romantic. Which is the case with Culture club in which I heard plenty of arguements debating if there New Romantic or not. Also the lack of make up and New romantic fashion is also with Depeche mode. I recently saw pictures of Depeche Mode when they were at first New romantics. David Gahan and the others wearing make up and I was shocked because i thought they weren't New romantics but only associated with the movement only because they had I think there first gigs there. I read many profiles of Depeche mode where it saids they were a at first New romantic and then t hey fled the scene. And its been stated by David that they weren't New Romantics "Call us anything you want just not New Romantic" and "they all look the same" . Duran Duran has admitted being New romantic but they have stated that "We are not trying to move away from it. But we are not tied to it like Spandau obviously are" Plus there are known to be the most successful New romantic band. Yamchaken (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] house/synthpop?

There's been changes in the description of the band's genres; each time someone adds house and synthpop, another person removes it, then another person adds house and synthpop once again and it is later removed yet again... it's happening constantly. I am sure of the house/synthpop influence in most songs of Big Thing and other songs in other DD albums, but is it possible for us think of Duran Duran as a "house/synthpop" group?; if people can't get into terms with those two genres being related to the band then maybe adding them to the list of music styles of DD might not be necessary after all. Kerrisene::talk 23:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

House maybe since Big Thing is credited as a House album. So that might pass. But Synth pop definatly. Its been noted that Duran Duran made Synth pop more danceable then it previously was and other bands actually followed there lead. Listen to HUman League, Depeche mode and Gary Numan before Duran Durans self title album came out. The music was very menacing. Then listen to them after Duran Durans self title debut. There synth pop becomes alot more danceable. And alot of music sites site them as Synth pop as well as New Romantic. Anyways I've said this also on the HUman Leagues discussion page. If you want to find out a more accurate on the music style of Duran Duran besides the obvious New Romantic and New wave go to amgmusic.com since people could change and put whatever they want into Wikipedia. I;ve seen Duran Duran being listed as Techno on here once which isn't completly off track cause there music is electric but there not Techno. House might be a closer labelling. Yamchaken (talk) 23:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes the band were Synth pop for sure. The band has said themselves that they are synth pop as well as New Romantic. The House part I dunno about but Synth pop no doubt. Its also said that they are Synth pop in the cd Maximum Duran Duran where it is said they were both Synth pop and Synth Rock. So I think its pretty accurate. On the house and techno thing I dont know about but they are appricated by the House and Techno crowd. lol There even on Dance Dance Revolution.6 synth pop (talk) 09:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Skin Divers

Pllease include the new on Skin Divers.

Duran Duran is eyeing collaborations with two of the hottest young names in British music, the Arctic Monkeys and Mark Ronson. As details roll out for the European leg of the band's Red Carpet Massacre tour, word is out that Duran Duran will join forces with Amy Winehouse producer Ronson this summer on a music project.

Although details are vague, a spokesperson for Duran Duran says both parties are "definitely discussing working on some material together" and a "possible live collaboration."

Meanwhile, Arctic Monkeys drummer Matt Helders has contributed a remix of "Skin Divers," the second track lifted from "Red Carpet Massacre." Helders and Monkeys frontman Alex Turner are rumored to have supplied sampled vocals to the reworked track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.163.82.186 (talk) 22:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)